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Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
Stanley Park #419313 25/06/14 07:19 AM
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And finally if they are so wonderful at getting sponsorship then surely it would be simple for them to get naming rights and other deals for a new stadium negating all your arguments about the paltry £20m in interest

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Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
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How many times will I have to show you the links to accept that the threat of administration was real. It wasn't the same as Portsmouth as we were still solvent but if the loans were called in we would have ended up in administration and that would have been difficult to recover from
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Originally Posted By: Maxi88
How many times will I have to show you the links to accept that the threat of administration was real. It wasn't the same as Portsmouth as we were still solvent but if the loans were called in we would have ended up in administration and that would have been difficult to recover from


It was due to gillet and hicks not being able to roll over the RBS loan a long way from trading administration. Yet people speak as if they saved us from trading administration (e.g turning around a loss making company) which is entirely different. Any of the owners who bought the club (by definition) would have had the ability to fund the club. The problem with FSG is they can finance the club but no more. As we are seeing in the transfer market and the small limiting stadium they are planning for the club.

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Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
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Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: Maxi88
How many times will I have to show you the links to accept that the threat of administration was real. It wasn't the same as Portsmouth as we were still solvent but if the loans were called in we would have ended up in administration and that would have been difficult to recover from


It was due to gillet and hicks not being able to roll over the RBS loan a long way from trading administration. Yet people speak as if they saved us from trading administration (e.g turning around a loss making company) which is entirely different. Any of the owners who bought the club (by definition) would have had the ability to fund the club. The problem with FSG is they can finance the club but no more. As we are seeing in the transfer market and the small limiting stadium they are planning for the club.


And why H&G could not roll over the loan and FSG could? Because FSG used their own money to clear the bigger portion of the debt. So what if FSG didn't do that, wouldn't it have been administration? Why was there nobody else interested to buy the club except for the Chinese guy who was apparently not serious? Have you looked at our balance sheet and the negative equity we are now or you don't want to see these things?
Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
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FSG bought the club and have stabilised it financially.

But that's all

And I am sorry vish that is nowhere near good enough and no I did not want the dodgy Chinese guy but I fail to believe that no where in the world are owners who are not shady and have the resources to take the club forward. Other clubs seem to manage it why can't we ?

Unless vish you are saying we should accept now that we are actually a second tier club and always will be now

Is that your position ?

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish we were not in administration as you well know. Yes they have significantly increased ticket prices hurting many dedicated fans I bet you loved that. Sponsorship yes you could argue they have done well but no better than other big clubs and a factor of the huge money flowing in premiership football. As for John Henry nearly winning us the league that's laughable it was despite John Henry who like the stadium prefers bargain basement investment in the club the league position was entirely to do with Brendan Rodgers whom they appointed I agree but after the total calamity of daglish so I would hold off in the praise of their managerial appointing in any case this thread is about the stadium

They are moving forward with their plan for the stadium which they always had which was to refurbish anfield at the cheapest option and then to sell leaving the club and high dry and in a position never again to match our local rivals (UNLESS YOU MEAN EVERTON).

This is what I can't understand why any person calling themselves a Liverpool supporter would want that for the club.

And that’s another nightmare scenario, what if someone buy’s Everton and builds them a mega stadium? Then we’ll be second in Liverpool, never mind the PL and Europe! This lilly livered redevelopment leaves the door distinctly open for such a scenario.
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Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
FSG bought the club and have stabilised it financially.

But that's all

And I am sorry vish that is nowhere near good enough and no I did not want the dodgy Chinese guy but I fail to believe that no where in the world are owners who are not shady and have the resources to take the club forward. Other clubs seem to manage it why can't we ?

Unless vish you are saying we should accept now that we are actually a second tier club and always will be now

Is that your position ?


Well when there was a possibility to take over the club following the H&G debacle, the best we got was FSG and have you ever asked yourself why it was so? Because the club was in freefall and as you say FSG has stabilised our situation and not only the finances. This is what you do first before starting to grow. We are still very fragile to go for huge investments that are not going to be useful in the next 10-15 years. Once we get back on the growth path (there are no guarantees though we look to start getting there) we need to reinforce our overall position which is through success on the field. If there are possibilities of getting naming rights, I would welcome having that on Anfield so as to put all chances on our side to be successful. This is the only way back to being one of the biggest club which we have left about a decade ago.
Re: What have FSG brought to the table ?
EnergisedReds #419458 25/06/14 01:52 PM
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You are more likely to get more naming rights on an impressive new stadium than a tarted up Anfield. Also Anfield is being done over many years not one hit which pretty much scuppers naming rights and the phasing over many years is another cheap option by FSG.

Yes the club was in a mess in the latter years of FSG but I cannot see how that justifies relegating Liverpool to a second tier club.

Liverpool are still one of the worlds great clubs why Vish do you want to limit the clubs ambitions. As the poster above says neber mind our manchester rivals Everton could be ahead of us one day they are exploring sites for a new stadium

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