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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Yep and I still believe we won't buy a player of 25 mil value unless we get big bucks from sale of Suarez so another summer same [oops] will happen


We cannot just buy with FFP around, bottom line is as important. Some people don't seem to get it. We made 99m losses in the last 2 years, twice as much as we can to not get punished.

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Even if they got 100 mil for him theres no way they would give us any where near that to spend.


What are you basing that on Lain?


stadium funding is my hunch


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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
So how does this rule help teams that are not as financial as the big teams ?.
Seems to a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer so to speak
I know your going to say that's why we need to be more profitable but as we know that only happens to successful teams and you can't be successful with out buying top players bit of a catch 22


This rule helps clubs with big fan bases and big stadiums but punishers Sugar Daddy clubs. It is great for United, Arsenal and us (to a lesser extent as we have a smaller stadium) but limits City and Chelsea. I don't know how fair it is because though you are preventing clubs to buy their way in, you are also preventing smaller clubs to become big as you need money to become big these days because of players' costs and wages.

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I dont think we can blame FSG for the January feck up with the Ukranian bloke. They clearly authorized the purchase. I dont know the details of the negotiation (none of us do) but it seemed like it broke down over the details of how the money would be paid.

Couple of journos said Ayre should have known better than to start negotiations with a Ukrainian billionaire with only 12 days left in the transfer window. Implication is that these types screw around. The issue is with the people managing the details of the transfer....not the owners in Boston.

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Originally Posted By: AnthonyP
I dont think we can blame FSG for the January feck up with the Ukranian bloke. They clearly authorized the purchase. I dont know the details of the negotiation (none of us do) but it seemed like it broke down over the details of how the money would be paid.

Couple of journos said Ayre should have known better than to start negotiations with a Ukrainian billionaire with only 12 days left in the transfer window. Implication is that these types screw around. The issue is with the people managing the details of the transfer....not the owners in Boston.


@ AnthonyP,
Dunno if you are a returning "koptalkite" or new member either way welcome to the forum. You make a good point about the owners not being involved in the micromanagement of transfer dealings, but, as you'll soon realise, that's a debate that's been goin on here for quite a while with some blaming FSG for being tight fisted, and pretty much everything wrong at the club. If you think about it why would Ayre fly all the way to Ukraine if the deal hadn't been sanctioned? Truth is none of us knows the dealings of the club but reading some posts you'd think some of us seat at the meetings with FSG and attend transfer negotiations.

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Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
So how does this rule help teams that are not as financial as the big teams ?.
Seems to a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer so to speak
I know your going to say that's why we need to be more profitable but as we know that only happens to successful teams and you can't be successful with out buying top players bit of a catch 22


This rule helps clubs with big fan bases and big stadiums but punishers Sugar Daddy clubs. It is great for United, Arsenal and us (to a lesser extent as we have a smaller stadium) but limits City and Chelsea. I don't know how fair it is because though you are preventing clubs to buy their way in, you are also preventing smaller clubs to become big as you need money to become big these days because of players' costs and wages.


The agenda of the FFP rules are quite simple, they have been introduced to protect the bigger clubs around Europe and to keep the status quo. Just imaging two or three more mega rich owners buying up clubs like villa, everton and west ham! And then the same thing happening in Spain. All of a sudden Madrid, Barcelona, united, liverpol, arsenal and many other huge European clubs might not play in the big competition.

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60 million isn't penny pinching but it's not quite man city and Chelsea.

Considering wel probably make 20 million on sold players.

Would be good if we had 60 million plus all money from sold players


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I just really hope that it's not going to be like last time when we came 2nd. Over that summer we just needed a few additions to help out, like wingers and another forward and we blew it. We can't let that happen this time or we'll be taking 2 steps back. Hope we get just that bit of quality.

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I just wrote about Tello on transfer section but I think 10 million on Tello would be a bargain and a better alternative to lallana if he doesn't come


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Originally Posted By: jmoz
Originally Posted By: AnthonyP
I dont think we can blame FSG for the January feck up with the Ukranian bloke. They clearly authorized the purchase. I dont know the details of the negotiation (none of us do) but it seemed like it broke down over the details of how the money would be paid.

Couple of journos said Ayre should have known better than to start negotiations with a Ukrainian billionaire with only 12 days left in the transfer window. Implication is that these types screw around. The issue is with the people managing the details of the transfer....not the owners in Boston.


@ AnthonyP,
Dunno if you are a returning "koptalkite" or new member either way welcome to the forum. You make a good point about the owners not being involved in the micromanagement of transfer dealings, but, as you'll soon realise, that's a debate that's been goin on here for quite a while with some blaming FSG for being tight fisted, and pretty much everything wrong at the club. If you think about it why would Ayre fly all the way to Ukraine if the deal hadn't been sanctioned? Truth is none of us knows the dealings of the club but reading some posts you'd think some of us seat at the meetings with FSG and attend transfer negotiations.
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