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I actually thought Moyes was an inspired appointment for united and might still be but I think things are going too far now yes transition there was always going to be after fergie whoever came but no one predicted things would be this bad.

The last chance might be bayern an honourable defeat would be ok but a humiliation might be too much for Moyes to survive

The city hammering just after Liverpool was a lot for them to take

A lot of united supporters look to us from what we did when roy hodgeson was appointed, and see us revolting and eventually getting him kicked out as inspiration for what they should do to moyes. The difference is, we hadnt exactly just had Bob Paisley just before roy, or in anyway shape or form had such a lengthy period of success. Our reaction against Roy was a much needed revolt as a result of years of mediocrity, with him being the last straw. Their situation is completely different, they have had an aging team for the past 2 seasons. Granted they won the league last year with roughly the same players, but Fergie has been neglecting the squad for years, probably because he knew he never really had time to build a new squad. They won that last title due to a number of reasons, 1. they were all experienced players who at the time were still not perhaps at their peak anymore, but still young enough to consistently perform at a high level. 2. were driven by the previous years loss on goal difference to City. 3. Still had Scholes. 4. Were coached Mercilessly by fergie and his backroom staff because he knew it was his swan song.

They never played brilliant football, they got lucky a fair number of times in games (as we expect with United) but they won consistently enough and beat all the teams you would expect them to beat to win the title. The signs were there from about 2 years ago though that they needed to started rebuilding and now we're all seeing the inevitable result.

What's signs were there for 2 years, let me remind you that they won in with a huge gap last year and were level on points with the Champions the year before. In fact they have spend more than 60m this season to reinforce. They would may be not be on top with Fergie but definitely not be where they are today. They have a crap manager, that's so obvious, for instance Martinez is doing better than Moyes with the Blue Noses.

The signs were that their aging squad was the worst to win the league of any of their previous wins. It's the same team now apart from a couple of inspired buys.

Fergie had a massive influence on everything. Look at how much teams get at old toilet now. Do you think we would have got one penalty let alone three if he was still there? I don't. Everyone else just three it away last year from the chavs sacking their manager to City thinking they were there and would walk it.

Utd are now where the quality of their squad means they should be and should have been for a good couple of seasons.

I don't think it should Suso. when you look at what they have, it's Rooney and RVP as their only reall quality. You can argue the case for Giggs, Ferdinand and Vidic but they're ancient now and not what they were. and for me, the fact that a 40 year old is their best player when he playes says it all.

Fergie knew what he was doing getting out when he did and IMO stitched them right up by appointing Moyes. At least this way, he knows his record isn't under threat.