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It's possible Vish that they have become too comfortable (are now older and complacent) and not willing to adapt in the system? I'm not saying it is or isn't but they really need to get a handle on it quick.
I do think you have a good point in regard the MF and why is it necessary we play so attackingly lopsided with the quality we have? Surely a little more balance would see more composure and control overall.
I hate to see us throwing away superior attacking strength with defending like this and the team is having to work to ridiculous physical levels to win games this way.
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It's possible Vish that they have become too comfortable (are now older and complacent) and not willing to adapt in the system? I'm not saying it is or isn't but they really need to get a handle on it quick.
I do think you have a good point in regard the MF and why is it necessary we play so attackingly lopsided with the quality we have? Surely a little more balance would see more composure and control overall.
I hate to see us throwing away superior attacking strength with defending like this and the team is having to work to ridiculous physical levels to win games this way. We had a few clean sheets at the beginning of the season when Suarez was banned and Sterling could not get a game. If I am not mistaken, we were playing with Lucas, Gerrard, Hendo and Allen and we were probably playing with one too many of those 4. With Sturridge coming back and Sterling getting on form, we are attacking like hell, but then we have lost the balance with defence. Southampton will be a good test to see if we can learn to contain teams, let's see.
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Interesting article/interview in The Independent. Not sure overall what to make of it. Makes me a tad uneasy if Rogers is not overly concerned with defending like this but on the other hand he has definitely had a swipe at Agger and Skrtel here. Feel they maybe on their way in the summer. Anyway, good reading for those interested: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footb...rs-9147901.htmlYeah he’s giving them a good kick up the transom and not before time either. Some are wishing for Sakho’s return but I remain to be convinced he’ll make much difference. If we want to play with all out attack, then you need a top class and settled defense, against those teams which set up to hit you on the break with pacey forwards. Our defenders be they CBs or FBs have proven time and again, they are simply not up to dealing with that. Some refer to the couple of clean sheets under Kenny, but that was at the expense of the entire team playing very deep, and leaving Suarez isolated up front, and being pushed wide, and a consequent drouth of goals. If we want free flowing attacking football, and I imagine most of us do, then we need to invest heavily in defense this coming summer. Personally I’d bin most, if not all, of our current first choice crop, with the exception of the youngsters and sign two proven quality FBs and two proven quality CBs. Though he didn’t exactly say it, Rodgers is right, these current first choice dummy’s are uncoachable. Not only that but another season of them is downright unconscionable!
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Interesting article/interview in The Independent. Not sure overall what to make of it. Makes me a tad uneasy if Rogers is not overly concerned with defending like this but on the other hand he has definitely had a swipe at Agger and Skrtel here. Feel they maybe on their way in the summer. Anyway, good reading for those interested: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footb...rs-9147901.htmlYeah he’s giving them a good kick up the transom and not before time either. Some are wishing for Sakho’s return but I remain to be convinced he’ll make much difference. If we want to play with all out attack, then you need a top class and settled defense, against those teams which set up to hit you on the break with pacey forwards. Our defenders be they CBs or FBs have proven time and again, they are simply not up to dealing with that. Some refer to the couple of clean sheets under Kenny, but that was at the expense of the entire team playing very deep, and leaving Suarez isolated up front, and being pushed wide, and a consequent drouth of goals. If we want free flowing attacking football, and I imagine most of us do, then we need to invest heavily in defense this coming summer. Personally I’d bin most, if not all, of our current first choice crop, with the exception of the youngsters and sign two proven quality FBs and two proven quality CBs. Though he didn’t exactly say it, Rodgers is right, these current first choice dummy’s are uncoachable. Not only that but another season of them is downright unconscionable! But he is the one who brought 3 CBs last summer, one being his record signing, so a bit easy for him to complain, though I am not sure the title is right.
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If they play crap they deserve critisism, whoever bought them.
I'm sure no one buys players they think will fail.
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Its all about the way we play. For the first time this season Rodgers let the cat out of the bag. Basically we have an attack that can score 4 so letting in 3 is not so bad. Getting beat 5-0 or 5-1 is bad but we tend to have more good days than bad days because of the way we are set up.
Some sides can contain us on their own turf but if they come at us we will get 2 goals llike at Everton Newcastle Swansea.
I would rather play like this every week. The grinding out of results will come with experience of being put in that situation a few more times. But for now lets just go out and be positive.
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Its all about the way we play. For the first time this season Rodgers let the cat out of the bag. Basically we have an attack that can score 4 so letting in 3 is not so bad. Getting beat 5-0 or 5-1 is bad but we tend to have more good days than bad days because of the way we are set up.
Some sides can contain us on their own turf but if they come at us we will get 2 goals llike at Everton Newcastle Swansea.
I would rather play like this every week. The grinding out of results will come with experience of being put in that situation a few more times. But for now lets just go out and be positive. But its not good for out health.
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If they play crap they deserve critisism, whoever bought them.
I'm sure no one buys players they think will fail. But it's quite weird that all our CBs have been crap for almost 2 seasons now. We had the 4th best defence in the season before that. The reason cannot be that they all just suddenly turned crap, I am convinced that it's the system, which by the way also made us the best attacking team right now.
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But it's quite weird that all our CBs have been crap for almost 2 seasons now. We had the 4th best defence in the season before that. The reason cannot be that they all just suddenly turned crap, I am convinced that it's the system, which by the way also made us the best attacking team right now. I'm not so sure it's only the system. I mean look at Skrtel: He has been really good just one season for us (when he was so outstanding that City came after him). Now he makes at least one fatal error in each game it seems. And it's not any type of mistake but beginners mistakes. High kicking the ball and setting opponent's strikers up instead of heading the ball. Forgetting to mark his player. Not communicating with the other defenders (in fairness this is as much the other players' mistake too). The Skrtel we all know behaves just like this all the time. He hasn't suddenly became cráp at defending - this is who he is. Under Clarke all our defenders were better. It might have been the system, but it might also have been their defense coaching was better over all.
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Also remember that our most renowned CB has just retired. Touré was brought in to replace him.
Sakho is brand new in English football and has been injured a lot.
Agger is injured as usual, so how can we expect him to excel?
I'm leaning towards that it's a combination between:
1) a formation (system) issue, where too many questions are being asked from our cb's - they are left alone far too often. Our fullbacks are playing really high up the pitch assisting the attack.
2) individual mistakes from our cb's. Both coachable ones and not coachable ones.
I think that if BR wants to continue playing like we do now, then we simply need better cb's. Maybe Sakho will be good enough, but that is far to soon to determine. If he starts to work then at least one more high quality cb needs to be brought in.
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