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Nevermind about vidic and rio. I was mistaken there. But Sakho played as an RCB for PSG more than once. I don't think he played with another left footed centre back then, sometimes managers play their CB like that to prevent the attacker to cut inside to shoot. Look I don't think that 2 true lefties can play CB together, but I can be wrong, let's see when Sakho and Agger will play together. Up till now it has appeared that it doesn't work as BR has never even tried them together in CB, we'll see.
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get carra off his ass on sky and back in for the run in. he'd do it, we need it.
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Have you ever seen Ilori or Kelly performing well as CB in the EPL? I know it's you opinion (cannot be otherwise), but, I wonder how you came to that conclusion.
Dont you be worrying yourself now about my opinion. You are talking about the next 5 years, if you dont agree with it that is your right. I dont agree with you on Agger as I think he is too injury prone, either way I dont think BR will be contacting either of us for our input. Would still be interesting to know how you came to that conclusion with the next season starting in a few months. What makes you think that Kelly and Ilori will be better than Agger? As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club.
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As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club. I think you are confused, first of all you were the one looking for a research / expert to back my opinions, then you post a statement on Martin (I suppose Skrtel) but wanted to see Sakho and Ilori to play CBs for us. Last, I won't pay too much attention on what BR said on Ilori because he also thought that the latter was not good enough for our bench after spending 7m on him, it's clear that he got it wrong as he waited for half a season before sending him on loan, if that was the initial plan, then he would have loaned him back in summer. Ilori might come good, I hope, but, there is nothing so far that can prove that it is going to happen as you seem to be convinced about.
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As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club. I think you are confused, first of all you were the one looking for a research / expert to back my opinions, then you post a statement on Martin (I suppose Skrtel) but wanted to see Sakho and Ilori to play CBs for us. Last, I won't pay too much attention on what BR said on Ilori because he also thought that the latter was not good enough for our bench after spending 7m on him, it's clear that he got it wrong as he waited for half a season before sending him on loan, if that was the initial plan, then he would have loaned him back in summer. Ilori might come good, I hope, but, there is nothing so far that can prove that it is going to happen as you seem to be convinced about. I think the plan was always to loan him out in January, giving him half a season to get used to the club and country. Or atleast that's what I read somewhere (might of been on here)
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I'v read that as well WNP. Hard to say if that was actually the original plan or not but it would make sense to let him get used to his teammates and see the level that is required. He will get good experience over in Spain and has all the physical tools to become an excellent player.
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As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club. I think you are confused, first of all you were the one looking for a research / expert to back my opinions, then you post a statement on Martin (I suppose Skrtel) but wanted to see Sakho and Ilori to play CBs for us. Last, I won't pay too much attention on what BR said on Ilori because he also thought that the latter was not good enough for our bench after spending 7m on him, it's clear that he got it wrong as he waited for half a season before sending him on loan, if that was the initial plan, then he would have loaned him back in summer. Ilori might come good, I hope, but, there is nothing so far that can prove that it is going to happen as you seem to be convinced about. Nope, no confusion on my part. I was talking about Martin Kelly, which you would have realised if you had read the post. http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/I supported my statement with comments on both players from our current mananger, your suporting evidence for your comment on left footed players was "I think I heard Wenger saying once...." Your assertion that you know better than the current Liverpool manager when it comes to judging Ilori is something others reading this thread will judge.
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As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club. I think you are confused, first of all you were the one looking for a research / expert to back my opinions, then you post a statement on Martin (I suppose Skrtel) but wanted to see Sakho and Ilori to play CBs for us. Last, I won't pay too much attention on what BR said on Ilori because he also thought that the latter was not good enough for our bench after spending 7m on him, it's clear that he got it wrong as he waited for half a season before sending him on loan, if that was the initial plan, then he would have loaned him back in summer. Ilori might come good, I hope, but, there is nothing so far that can prove that it is going to happen as you seem to be convinced about. Nope, no confusion on my part. I was talking about Martin Kelly, which you would have realised if you had read the post. http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/I supported my statement with comments on both players from our current mananger, your suporting evidence for your comment on left footed players was "I think I heard Wenger saying once...." Your assertion that you know better than the current Liverpool manager when it comes to judging Ilori is something others reading this thread will judge. What I questionned was what made you say Ilori will be our first choice centre back for the next 5 years (which would start I guess next season or may be next Feb) instead of Agger. Definitely he might take Agger's place in 3 years but nothing showed he would do it as early as next season (though I am no longer sure when your 5 years starts) as he couldn't even warm the bench for us. Now if you believe everything BR says, so be it, I am not the same, I have noticed quite a few mistakes already, which happens to other managers too by the way.
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As you are fond of expert opinions the following may interest you “[Martin] has shown he is a talent and has shown that he can play at centre-half and at fullback — hence the reason why we gave him a new contract.http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/"Centre-halves are so hard to find. You look at some teams and they have ageing centre-halves because it is a struggle to get a really good one."We were fortunate in that two became available, one that we had been tracking for a year in Tiago Ilori, a young talent but who can be a big talent.
[b]"He is 6' 3", super quick, power, can jump, and he just needs to adapt to the pace and physicality of the Premier League. He is one for the future, but he can be a really big talent.http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/155423...tential?cc=5739These quotes are from none other than Brendan Rodgers our current manager. He thinks both players can play centre half in the EPL but maybe you know better. Also Luis Saurez had no experience as a striker in the EPL and he seems to have adapted and Coutinho had no experience as a midfielder in the EPL and he is managing to cope also. Charlie Adam, Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll all had previous EPL experience and as we all know what a huge success they were at our club. I think you are confused, first of all you were the one looking for a research / expert to back my opinions, then you post a statement on Martin (I suppose Skrtel) but wanted to see Sakho and Ilori to play CBs for us. Last, I won't pay too much attention on what BR said on Ilori because he also thought that the latter was not good enough for our bench after spending 7m on him, it's clear that he got it wrong as he waited for half a season before sending him on loan, if that was the initial plan, then he would have loaned him back in summer. Ilori might come good, I hope, but, there is nothing so far that can prove that it is going to happen as you seem to be convinced about. Nope, no confusion on my part. I was talking about Martin Kelly, which you would have realised if you had read the post. http://thebibtheorists.com/2013/11/20/whats-next-for-martin-kelly/I supported my statement with comments on both players from our current mananger, your suporting evidence for your comment on left footed players was "I think I heard Wenger saying once...." Your assertion that you know better than the current Liverpool manager when it comes to judging Ilori is something others reading this thread will judge. (which would start I guess next season or may be next Feb) instead of Agger. Definitely he might take Agger's place in 3 years but nothing showed he would do it as early as next season (though I am no longer sure when your 5 years starts) as he couldn't even warm the bench for us. Now if you believe everything BR says, so be it, I am not the same, I have noticed quite a few mistakes already, which happens to other managers too by the way. And I answered that by giving my opinion. The only person changing the time span is yourself. You mentioned 5 years then it became the start of next seasion then february and now 3 years has been mentioned. So which one is it.? I didnt say I beleived everything BR said, that is you trying to put YOUR words in my mouth. I quoted him as a source in relation to Kelly and Ilori. You have noticed quite a few mistakes? How very astute of you..... thats easy when you are armed with hindsight.
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I am not the manager and I am not comparing myself with BR, what I said is he makes mistakes so not going to believe everything he says.
Is it not you the one who mentioned next 5 years, I might be mistaken? What I assumed is that the 5 years starts next season and couldn't understand how anybody could say that Ilori will be better than Agger in a few months? When does your 5 years start in your post?
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