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So you also feel that you have lost your credibility and your posts have become unpalatable? I am not surprised. :p

If they are unpalatable to you then I am on the right lines. Dalglish was a shambles as a manager and there are plenty people who have tried to explain that to you. If you love the club as much as you claim then learn the clubs history and what really went on not what it says on Wikipedia. I accept there were some good moments under dalglsh the notts forest game at anfield probably was the pinnacle but he inherited a well oiled machine and when the machine needed maintenance he did not know what to do. This is how we ended up with modern Liverpool along with hopeless boards of directors. I know you think everything is wonderfull all the time but that's just being a dreamer to progress you have to recognise what went wrong. To bring back dalglish in any capacity is a backward step we may as well bring David moores back as adviser to John Henry. No doubt you think David moores was wonderful as well marko ?

Comrades, Comrades... why don't we just agree to disagree.

The answer is probably somewhere in between. Kenny had good intentions and achieved some great results, but he didn't build something for the future. He didn't leave a legacy. The next guy had to almost start from scratch after Kenny's early great buys were followed by duds and we didn't have any players nurtured within the club to fall back on.

The sides before Kenny used to gradually evolve. Each season would see one or two new names, usually previously unknown, who wouldn't go straight into the team. But over a period of time they'd gradually establish themselves and become either solid contributors or even stars. Hansen, Neal, Nicol, Johnston, Molby, Grobelaar, Rush etc.

But Kenny changed that and adopted the cheque book approach. Big money signings going straight into the team. Beardsley, Barnes, Houghton, Aldridge. It worked fine in the short term but as we found out at huge cost, in the long term that approach is not good. It's not sustainable. That to me was the beginning of our downfall and in that respect I agree with Stan. (though there were extenuating circumstances too due to Heysel & Hillsborough)

Prior to Kenny, it used to be our rivals who always seems to buy the expensive players but we used to chuckle as we'd still end up winning the league.

However, I disagree with Stan in that we shouldn't be so bitter about it and hold it against Kenny with such venom. Nothing lasts forever and if it hadn't have happened under Kenny it would've happened under someone else. Life would be boring if LFC won every game 4-0 and won the league every season forever.

He tried his best in good faith but it failed in the long term. We should just leave it at that. Enjoy the positive memories, not dwell so much on the negatives. Great player, not so great manager.

I agree mighty with your analysis mostly but the anger is he is back at the club and so soon after the last mess up. I don't hold bitterness first time it was a genuine situation and hillsborough undoubtably had some impact. But the second coming was unforgivable it was obvious beyond the initial psychological uplift he was out of his depth and the press conferences showed that. And then so soon to come back again I think best left in the past and him coming as director rakes it up again. Alan Hansen or John Barnes would be a fresh start and both are far better at PR than dalglish who has a very condescending tone to him.

only things is, second time round I blame the people who appointed him and the people previously running the club - although I blame Kenny for his spending spree approach again.

FSG didn't know what they were doing; Purslow was instrumental in selling to FSG, appointing Roy, sacking Rafa, buying Joe Cole; Prior to that Parry & Moores messed up big time; and Ian ayre ... all of these people found Kenny to be useful shield to hide behind. When things so wrong, give Kenny a post and keep the fans happy.

I don't mind Kenny in his current non-executive post. I think it's better for the club to rebuild his image as a legend.

Clearly FSG appointed him and you all know my opinions on them. The problem with him being ambassador is that there are plenty who would want him to step in, in the event of a manager performing poorly. I don't think that will actually happen but what might happen is it will act as a lever for fans to put more pressure on the manager. I can just see Liverpool three nil down to west brom say at anfield after a bad spell and the kop chanting dalgllish and dalglsh looking on. It would be intolerable for that manager (which might be Rodgers) once again FSG have not thought things through

What you call plenty to back it up is again your opinions while I have given to you actual facts. It's about time, at your age to make a difference between facts opinions, particularly your own and watching games is no experience compared to those who have been in the club. Even if there were no facts, whose opinion do you think I would believe, your own or those of Barnes, Beardsley, Hansen to name a few?

No chance Stan. I don't think there's anyone who would thing we should get Kenny back under any circumstance. That ship has well and truly sailed... in fact it's sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

No I know that but it will still facilitate a situation where the fans call for dalglish if one of our managers has a bad spell.