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Originally Posted By: lumba
Alcoholic ? Really , is this from the Daily Mail or do you have facts to back it up Stan?


What facts do you want ? Medical reports ? What ?

First I never said he was an alcoholic that was our friend emp I think. But being extremely drunk in public is not very dignified for someone in that position albeit he s free to do so


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So it didn't make the news and cause a public scandal then ?


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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he said he had a drinking problem whilst liverpool manager.. hatchet job.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
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Vish I fainted when they paid £35m for Carroll

And by the way it's 50 years not 30.


You fainted, ok. Would you have prefered us to buy nobody THEN after selling Torres? As you know there was no time left, so we would have had to pay over the odds anyway as everybody knew we were desperate. Honestly, what would you have said if we had bought nobody after getting 50m from Torres sale?


Yes I would have preferred to buy nobody than trow £35m in the bin. If no one was available of the right quality then keep the money in the bank until there was


Unless you can show me one of your post saying so when we bought Carroll I will not believe you. I think you are just trying to be wise after the event. I am also sure that if we had not used the Torres money then, you would have said, FSG is asset stripping and as Marko said, you would have said FSG out. If you hate KD and unhappy with the appointment, it's really your problem, not mine. I don't think you have enough credibility to convince people here.

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Originally Posted By: lumba
So it didn't make the news and cause a public scandal then ?


No but that does not mean its not true in terms of that incident, I don't think he is an alcoholic that was emp over exaggeration.


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I understand some of your misgivings with Kenny but the hate things beyond me Stan,I'd take a break from the hate stuff and put some music on m8.


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Originally Posted By: lumba
I understand some of your misgivings with Kenny but the hate things beyond me Stan,I'd take a break from the hate stuff and put some music on m8.


I do hate what he has done mate my arguments are based on my own experiences and if you remember I was saying this before he was appointed for the second time I have been entirely consistent. If people want to take a counter view they are free to do so.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: lumba
I understand some of your misgivings with Kenny but the hate things beyond me Stan,I'd take a break from the hate stuff and put some music on m8.


I do hate what he has done mate my arguments are based on my own experiences and if you remember I was saying this before he was appointed for the second time I have been entirely consistent. If people want to take a counter view they are free to do so.


You hate KD? Very difficult for me to understand particularly when I analyse your arguments, this cannot be rational.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Paisley created something that endured we can't judge fagan he was in too short a time. Dalglsh did create a top team (with support) in 87 / 88 but within 12 months it started to fall apart. The trajectory was downwards. His other short term success was also achieved with overwhelming advantage namely jack walkers unlimited chequebook. Again it fell to pieces after a short period. This indicates a manager who has a lack of ability and cannot succeed without overwhelming advantage and even then cannot sustain it. His career at Celtic, Newcastle and the second coming at Liverpool was laughable. He has done untold damage to all the clubs he managed including Blackburn and his wasting of owners money is unsurpassed.

I hate the man. If he had honour he would certainly not be back at Liverpool,for more handouts. If he had honour then he should stick to the golf course he has tens of millions in the bank.


Paisely, Fagan, and Shankly all had fat purses. I won't argue that he's better than Bob or Bill. Those are the two greatest we ever had and probably ever will. But Rafa only ever won the two trophies (although that CL final is the most special match I have ever watched) and never the league, and Evans' side, despite being entertaining, were full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Houllier won several trophies, but he made even more blunders than the ones you accuse Kenny of making. Fagan, as you say, was not there long enough to judge. Kenny is the de facto third best of an exceptional group. He continued a reign of success, but when a successful manager steps down, it's not always smooth sailing. Look at Fergie's retirement. Coming off 26 years of the most successful manager the prem has ever had, Moyes took over a club that has been more or less winning the title or something else at least every other year. He was hand chosen, but the transition was still not smooth. Similarly, it took city years of cash injection to assert themselves. Money is a factor, but you can't really buy titles.

I disagree with the Newcastle and Blackburn statements as well. He didn't wreck them Kenny took a team that was newly promoted to a fourth, second and first place finish in the league— in that order. Yes he had money, but money doesn't always translate to success. Blackburn fell apart when he was no longer manager, and they destroyed the house that Kenny built, not the other way around.

Newcastle have never REALLY been the big club they think they are, and they have never really had success with anyone. They haven't won a title since the twenties or a trophy at all since the fifties, even in Shearer's glory days. He didn't set the world alight there, but I'm not really surprised. A failure, yes, but certainly no bigger than Rafa's failure at Inter.

Kenny didn't come back for money. He could have left many times as a player if that's what it was. He's at home with Liverpool, and that's all that motivates him to keep coming back. He loves the club and the supporters, and if you think otherwise, I say you are gravely mistaken.

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Originally Posted By: lumba
I understand some of your misgivings with Kenny but the hate things beyond me Stan,I'd take a break from the hate stuff and put some music on m8.


Yeah come on Stan, chill out mate. Listen to some tunes like lumba recommended, it'll calm you down. I'd recommend this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXiqfRK5AoY

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