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I cannot believe what you are saying.... Aren't you the one screaming FSG out because they are refusing to overpay for players and refusing to award lucrative wage unless they are earned by on field performances? Talk about planning for the future. A young squad brimming with talent, players on realistic wages, a self sufficient business model, and you scream FSG out because they didn't pay 30 mil for William. Then you come on here saying that planning for the future is important.

I'm baffled.

When did I say FSG should have paid £30m for Willian ?

He was way overpriced

I think you will find I never said what you allege

I said he chose the players and gave a list of players, that was his role. The prices were up to the Diretor of football and MD and ultimately had to be rubber stamped by owners. This is how it works almost everywhere bar Fergie and Wenger who have total control. KD couldn't be given full control and rightly so, because he lacked experience in the modern transfer market. That was the structure FSG wanted, ie, a director of football, otherwise he is useless. Most clubs in Euprope work with a director of football and as such, in England it is a bit different. Do you think its AVB who negotiate fees for players or Daniel Levy?

Agree with you that the right thing has to be done which was not selling Torres 5 mins before the transfer window was shut, just as FSG did with Suarez.

I wonder what you would have said if we had sold Torres for 50m and brought nobody of stature/potential in (there was no sufficient time as you know)? I might be mistaken, but, quite sure that you would have been the first one here saying that the new owners are asset stripping etc. Just read your posts on FSG if you don't believe me, I am sure you would have a good gist of it. By the way, what did you think whem we sold Torres and Babbel and brought in Suarez and Caroll? Hindsight is a great thing but I don't remember you complaining much about this then, maybe you might have said that Caroll was over priced, but, were you angered about it then as you are now?

Stanley, it's not about Willian, that was a hypothetical example, it's about your constant battering of FSG for not spending big and rather looking for cheaper options. Those cheaper options are often just as good as their more expensive counterparts. Your thoughts on FSG pocketing money and taking money out the club are well documented. Also i still haven't got an answer as to why you insult fellow fans and claim they are working off google and wikipedia purely because they disagree with you? Could you answer that, as those claims are quite insulting to fellow koptalk users.

I doubt that Stan.

Dalglish lost Rush and replaced him with Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge and created arguably one of out greatest ever sides.

His return was a disaster yet he still won a trophy.

Evans had Fowler, Collymore and MacManaman but his teams couldn't defend and the fact he never won the league reinforces that.

Dalglish won three league titles at Liverpool, thats three times as many as Rafa, Evans, Houllier, Hodgson and Rodgers combined. Yet still you attack him and refuse to acknowledge his achievements.

I detect a man who is biting off his nose in order to spite his face.

Dalglsh did built I think our greatest ever side re quality and entertainment the 88 side. But that was from a base of us being the top club in Britain and had been for many years we had probably the best backroom in Britain and one of the greatest managers ever to grace the game acting as advisor in tbe early years. So yes had I been manager I might have done well. But credit to dalglsh for building that 88 side I do accept that I watched it every game and was the greatest and most enjoyable period of my football watching liffe over 50 years.

It's what came after that that is the problem. Faz has explained it very well and I agree with every word. The Wikipedia is not an insult to fans not born then but simply to explain the historical records don't tell the full story.

But I do feel bitter watching what happened then it still hurts today. That incompetence spans right through to 2013 and the situation with FSG the chain of events can be traced with many guilty men Robinson smith moores and dalglsh.

But I can forgive dalglsh that first wave of destruction it was an honest endeavour. Not so the second coming this screwed up man intimidated hodgson leading to the shameful chanting on the kop with dalglsh in the stands. He then fooled the idiot owners into appointing him.

The rest is history and dalglsh knew damn well he was not up to the role but his ego was higher than LFC and the fans. He got a huge pay off for personal gain and now the shyster is back money grabbing for a third time and potentially up to more trouble.

Imagine Rodgers now having a bad run how long before the numptes on the kop sing dalglsh and half wits shout come on kenny lad get in there and sort it out.

I hate the man I really do.

All that is spoken from the heart from a man who witnessed all this. It's my opinion and not written on any website but I will ague that with anyone.

Kenny wanted the job back since he finished at Blackburn. Can you blame him for wanting to come home? Yes, he made mistakes in round two, but Hodgson was just wrong for Liverpool, and he never should have been considered. Kenny didn't make the crowds chant. They started doing it because Rafa had already brought him back into the fold. How is that his fault. He didn't demand the job, it was given to him, just as it was when Paisley retired. Do you hate him for saying yes when they offered him his dream job back?

He was a fantastic interim manager to right the ship after Hodgson had us in bloody relegation form. We finished higher that year than we did in Rafa's last, and the highest we have since. A lot of that was the cocktail of emotions that made the "feel good" form around the club, but part of it was his man management (which Gerrard, Suarez, and Carra have all praised as still superb). We should have picked someone else to take over from there, but the fans demanded he stay, and I admit, I was right there with him, along with Dunk and 90% of the people around here. We hadn't seen him play with the transfer kitty yet, and Suarez and Carroll looked very exciting at the time (remember the brace agains City Carroll scored in his first start?). Had goal line technology been in place already, Carroll's second goal agains Chelsea would have counted, and we might have won the FA cup along with the Carling Cup, but what happened happened.

He came, he righted the ship, won a trophy, and wasted a lot of money. He made some costly mistakes, but they were honest ones, just as honest as you say the first wave was. His recent failures are blemishes on an exceptional career as both a manager and a player, but hating a man for his failures seems unfair, especially with all he won for the club.

Blemishes,???????? righting the ship, exceptional career as manager? you would make a great politician or advertising executive. The second coming was orchestrated no doubt and the purpose was the Dalglish ego and bank balance.

It doesn't take much to put his image in a positive light. The numbers do it for me. 3 league titles and two FA cups at Liverpool (and the club's first double) and another league title at Blackburn sounds pretty exceptional career to me. He won manager of the year 3 times and and was the 4th person in history to win the league at two different clubs. Had he retired before Newcastle, he would have never been anything close to failure as a player or a manager.

Orchestrated no doubt? By whom? Dalglish? If he could orchestrate such a thing, he would have done so before Houllier or Rafa took over. He wanted the job, but they didn't want him, full stop. I'm sorry, Stan, there is absolutely no evidence to support such a claim, only idle speculation. If the purpose of such an "orchestration" was the bank balance, why on earth would they have given him all that money?