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Hercules there is no link on the Internet I could pass to you that proves dalglsh started the decline of LFC.

It's a matter of opinion.

But I can tell you a truth I had a season ticket then and a company car with unlimited petrol (imagine that today) and me and a few mates used to watch Liverpool home and away (literally every game) in the dalglsh era. The signs were there to see but ts in people's heads not Wikipedia. If you want an example of the beginning of the rot utube Liverpool vs palace in 1990. You will see the problems that were developing

Exactly, it's a matter of opinion, yours which proves nothing to me. What I know as a fact is we were competing to win the league when Dalglish left, he did the double before that, KD has probably one of the highest trophies per season ratio as a LFC manager, has won the EPL (albeit not with us) and now is a director of the club. You can bitch as much as you want but this will not change my opinion that it was Souness who started the decline (even getting rid of the famous boot room) as we never won the league since he was appointed manager. Leeds won the league for god's sake and Arsenal who appointed a manager with no experience in England. If we had bought Cantona then (as KD bought Barnes), history might have been completely different. This decline by KD is all in your head according to me.

Look mate, I have been following LFC since 1978 and the whereabouts (I was 9 yrs old), was following LFC when Kevin Keegan went to Germany and KD came, so nothing to do with google. After the Heysel disaster and LFC getting banned from Europe, I thought then that, that was it, our decline would start, but, KD maintained us on top especially by buying Barnes and Beardsley and even replacing Rush with Aldridge.

Was completely gutted when KD left, if I remember we were among those on top of the league if not top or second, especially because we could not win the league in that year, we were still a big force. Then Souness came and I followed the whole decline live and direct and also watched KD winning the league with Blackburn (we did beat them 3-1 at Anfield in their last game with Rednapp scoring the last goal), but, United drew and KD's team, Blackburn, was crowned champions at ...Anfield. All this is from my head so might be making mistakes, if it was from google I would be sure about what I have just written.

Vish I appreciate what you have wriiten and respect you have followed them from 1978. Much of what I have written was not televised. And if you had followed from oversess then it would have been newspaper reports or what games were televised that you relyed on. You must have remembered the palace game at villa park in 1990 which was televised the Liverpool of 3 or 4 years previous would never have fell apart like that. And there were many games like that. Looking at the bare stats it does not tell the story. For me the Dalglish had 2 years at Liverpool and one at blackburn the rest was a car crash. The double is nonsense that was in his first season as player / manager and paisley told him to play himself othrwise we would never have won the double it was paisley really managing that team and dalglish learning the ropes.

I could only dream of those perks Stanley, each of my visits in the early days were overnight affairs at my own expense, by the time Dalglish came on the scene I was earning a bit more and the cost more manageable. But back on subject;
I know there's no link on the Internet that proves Dalglish started the decline of LFC, nor could there be because he patently didn't start the decline, he did a brilliant job, won the league three times and handed a league winning side to his successor, those are facts Stanley, not opinions!
You admit that blaming Dalglish for the decline of LFC is "a matter of opinion" and so it is, but I put it to you that it's very much a minority opinion. In my view its an opinion not based on fact, but one that fly's in the face of fact, and is therefore clearly and obviously based on personal bias and animosity.
I understand your points about players ageing and so on, but that's an integral part of football management, and Dalglish managed it quite well by bringing in some great players...ok some weren't so great, but the odd flop happens to all managers. It was Souness who failed to continue the smooth replacement of players and went for a root and branch clear out, with disasterous results and consequences. That's when the decline started Stanley, if you don't believe me check the record books.

Everything about football is opinions. Facts are open to interpretation. For example Phil Neal won more trophies than almost all footballers therefore Phil Neal was the best ever footballer. FACT.

But in reality he was a useful but average right back.

What we cant argue is Dalglish took over one of the best teams in the world and left them in freefall. If he is such a good manager as you suggest then why not sack rodgers and appoint dalglish as replacement. We would win the league for sure.

Indeed it does. The odd burst of success either taking over the greatest club in the world (80'S LFC) or a club with unlimited money relative to rivals (Blackburn). Then the usual car crash. When he had not got overwhelming advantage like Newcasatle he was a catasthrophe. Even his last spell at Liverpool he was given the clubs last throw of the dice over £100m and blew it. Rodgers could not dream of having a quarter of that. Anyone who thinks hes a good manager frankly needs professional help.

You need all sorts of help more than anyone else, definitely. Just remember where we were when Roy was sacked and our performance in the second half of the season when KD took over, in fact (you can go and do the calculations as I did it), we ended up being the 3rd best team of the league. This is hard fact as much as all the trophies that LFC won under KD instead of opiniated crap coming from somebody's hate filled heart.

I also seem to remember after January Vish the club and team being in free fall FACT. I also seem to remember some pretty buzzar press conferences from king kenny probably due to the fact he was losing the plot FACT I also remember the worst value for money signings of any club in history FACT. No club even non league clubs will employ dalglsh as manager not even the local pub team FACT

And thanks for the insults it proves you have no answers to my reasoned arguments.

Indeed he did lose the plot and was paranoid at press interviews. He clearly was out of his depth and he knew it. But he still took a massive payout to step aside from a job he knew he was never capable of doing.
and now he is back in some capacity of authority.
Whilst there is the warm and fuzzy factor with having a legend hanging around at the club, its also pretty weird, given the fact that he was a great player but shyte manager two times around. And he was given a bucket load of green to leave the second time around.

i get it that the owners are maintaining the traditions of the club by recognizing living legends and keeping them in touch with the club and the supporters.

But for me this is a huge loss of dignity and respect being shown by Kenny in accepting this appointment.

After the last debacle, he should have said no.