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Vish can I ask did you follow the era under dalglish or are you working from Wikipedia?
The story is not just on the bare the statistics we were the top club in Britain when he took over and probably in the top three in Europe. I would have win titles had I taken over from fagan. And judging not winning the title since he left and concluding that's because dalglsh was not in charge from the stats is frankly rather silly.
Anyone who followed the club back then would tell you the club was crumbling before our eyes still a top club but one getting weaker not stronger. Also throughout his carreer dalglsh has never sustained anything for more than a year or two Blackburn being one example.
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Vish can I ask did you follow the era under dalglish or are you working from Wikipedia?
The story is not just on the bare the statistics we were the top club in Britain when he took over and probably in the top three in Europe. I would have win titles had I taken over from fagan. And judging not winning the title since he left and concluding that's because dalglsh was not in charge from the stats is frankly rather silly.
Anyone who followed the club back then would tell you the club was crumbling before our eyes still a top club but one getting weaker not stronger. Also throughout his carreer dalglsh has never sustained anything for more than a year or two Blackburn being one example. There’s no rationality to your arguments here Stanley, Dalglish added some great to good players to the team as time moved on after he took over, he won the title with hem as well as with those he inherited, thats what good managers do, and how a team progresses over time.Had Souness done the same he’d have had a winning side as well but instead he butchered the side wholesale and landed himself and the club in the sh*t, from which we’ve not yet recovered. You concede that the Board was responsible for the overall decline, and I agree with you. However not many will agree that a manager who led the club to its last, not one but last three league titles can be lumped with the blame for our decline given that no decline had occurred prior to his leaving. No doubt you’ll argue that there was signs and age factors building up, but what title winning team doesn’t have that? Title winners have to have a mix of experience and youth, and it was up to Souness to gradually deal with that as all managers do, but he took a different approach with disastrous results. but you persist in trying to pin it on Dalglish? that just doesn’t make sense Stanley.
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I really did think this would be a positive thread maybe I'm crazy 
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Nothing endures with Dalglish every management job he has had has fallen to dust. The proof of the pudding is who would employ him now. You are being very selective quoting titles from a fading Liverpool in the late eighties early ninties. I will concede he did well at blackburn but he got very lucky with the form of shearer and sutton which at times was unplayable and voted one of the top ten striking partnerships of all time. As always with King Kenny it fell to dust as it always does. If he is so good why is he unemployable ? answer me that ? clubs would be queing up to employ him if we won titles as you are suggestiong.
Complete and utter nonesense. A man not fit to be mentioned in the same planet as Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and even Rafa, Houllier and yes even Rodgers. Rodgers is fifty fold the manager and personality Dalglish will ever be.
And it sticks in my craw that man is still today sucking money from the club.
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Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps KD doesn't want to manage another club? perhaps, he only wanted to manage LFC and no one else.
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Vish can I ask did you follow the era under dalglish or are you working from Wikipedia?
The story is not just on the bare the statistics we were the top club in Britain when he took over and probably in the top three in Europe. I would have win titles had I taken over from fagan. And judging not winning the title since he left and concluding that's because dalglsh was not in charge from the stats is frankly rather silly.
Anyone who followed the club back then would tell you the club was crumbling before our eyes still a top club but one getting weaker not stronger. Also throughout his carreer dalglsh has never sustained anything for more than a year or two Blackburn being one example. There’s no rationality to your arguments here Stanley, Dalglish added some great to good players to the team as time moved on after he took over, he won the title with hem as well as with those he inherited, thats what good managers do, and how a team progresses over time.Had Souness done the same he’d have had a winning side as well but instead he butchered the side wholesale and landed himself and the club in the sh*t, from which we’ve not yet recovered. You concede that the Board was responsible for the overall decline, and I agree with you. However not many will agree that a manager who led the club to its last, not one but last three league titles can be lumped with the blame for our decline given that no decline had occurred prior to his leaving. No doubt you’ll argue that there was signs and age factors building up, but what title winning team doesn’t have that? Title winners have to have a mix of experience and youth, and it was up to Souness to gradually deal with that as all managers do, but he took a different approach with disastrous results. but you persist in trying to pin it on Dalglish? that just doesn’t make sense Stanley. You will find that when people are set in their ways, rationality is often a victim of bias. I think you have writtena fantastic post. I do seem some valid points in Stanley's argument, but the fact of the matter is that your argument has more evidence and a higher probability of being correct.
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Did it ever cross your mind that perhaps KD doesn't want to manage another club? perhaps, he only wanted to manage LFC and no one else. You can't blame him can you ? Every time we employ him we give him several million pounds to play golf after eighteen months of mucking things up and shouting at sky reporters.
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Nothing endures with Dalglish every management job he has had has fallen to dust. The proof of the pudding is who would employ him now. You are being very selective quoting titles from a fading Liverpool in the late eighties early ninties. I will concede he did well at blackburn but he got very lucky with the form of shearer and sutton which at times was unplayable and voted one of the top ten striking partnerships of all time. As always with King Kenny it fell to dust as it always does. If he is so good why is he unemployable ? answer me that ? clubs would be queing up to employ him if we won titles as you are suggestiong.
Complete and utter nonesense. A man not fit to be mentioned in the same planet as Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and even Rafa, Houllier and yes even Rodgers. Rodgers is fifty fold the manager and personality Dalglish will ever be.
And it sticks in my craw that man is still today sucking money from the club. Ah,now Stanley that's not debating the pro's and [oops]'s of Dalglish's managerial career, it's just plain abuse with not a shred of evidence included to support it. And worse, when you have to concede he did well at Blackburn you put it down to luck! As a long time football fan you must know that taking a team to the top of the league, let alone winning it, is never a matter of luck, winning a cup might be put down to luck, maybe, but never a league. And when he won no less than three league titles prior to that with us, you put that down to the manager before him! It's rubbish Stanley, and the facts prove it to be rubbish. And you cannot argue away the facts.
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Of course he can, Stanley has been arguing with facts for a while now. Every time I debate with him, he simply attempts to twist my words and make it seem like I am saying something I am not. Watch out for that.
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Of course he can, Stanley has been arguing with facts for a while now. Every time I debate with him, he simply attempts to twist my words and make it seem like I am saying something I am not. Watch out for that. The facts would seem to be your viewpoint. I say this dalglsh has failed at every managerial job he has held. If you doubt this then why is no one employing the man? Because we are told he only wants to manage Liverpool. Funny that when he managed Blackburn Celtic and Newcastle. Ask Newcastle fans what they think of his abilities.
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