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3 of his bookings have been cheap poor tackles not really warranting a booking. Nothing in the calibre of Williams scything down Coutinho by a long long way.
He gives us a balance in midfield as he breaks up play and gets the ball to the guys who can make the next pass. Personally I prefer the old way where someone strides forward with the ball like Alan Hansen but those days long gone now though watching Toure yesterday I suspect he would do it very well.
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I think we can do much better than Lucas. I like him and think he is an important cog in the team but we really need someone more dynamic to play alongside Gerrard.
Lucas for years hasnt changed one aspect of his game that bothers me. He still likes to pass the ball BACK into the danger zone. The Alonsos, Gerrards know exactly what to do and diffuse the danger by switching play. Lucas cannot do this.
He doesnt score goals because he doesnt shoot and neither will he get into the box because he is not fast enough to cover the ground back. So what does he give us?
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I'm struggling to believe that he's been booked 5 times already this season tbh!  Must be the highest in the prem I reckon. BR needs to be having some SERIOUS werds with him.  Let's be honest, he's been consistently cr@p so far this season and he's been let off the hook, particularly in this forum. He's untouchable though as there is no competition for him. Jesus Christ some of our fans know fack-all about football. Wakka, gnp-up and TrueRed hang your heads in shame. Lucas is untouchable because he's so facking good. He always shows for the ball, rarely, if ever, loses it. His passes nearly always reach base. He intercepts and tackles as much as almost anyone in the prem, and wins nearly all our midfield headers. He reads the game like a facking legend, constantly closing down attacks before they even start. On current form he twice the player Gerrard is. If anything his game is getting ruined by having SG next to him who constantly switches off or watches players run straight past him and he never could close down. This means that if Lucas tries to close down SG won't follow leaving giant holes behind him right infront of our back 4 - that's Gerrards fault not Lucas'. Full stats are available on the club website, where you can also compare any player in the prem - I suggest you guys check it out. I know stats are not everything, but you will soon find out who does ALL the tackling in our midfield...
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Joined: Sep 2009
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Under 23 Player
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I'm struggling to believe that he's been booked 5 times already this season tbh! Must be the highest in the prem I reckon. BR needs to be having some SERIOUS werds with him. Let's be honest, he's been consistently cr@p so far this season and he's been let off the hook, particularly in this forum. He's untouchable though as there is no competition for him. Jesus Christ some of our fans know fack-all about football. Wakka, gnp-up and TrueRed hang your heads in shame. Lucas is untouchable because he's so facking good. He always shows for the ball, rarely, if ever, loses it. His passes nearly always reach base. He intercepts and tackles as much as almost anyone in the prem, and wins nearly all our midfield headers. He reads the game like a facking legend, constantly closing down attacks before they even start. On current form he twice the player Gerrard is. If anything his game is getting ruined by having SG next to him who constantly switches off or watches players run straight past him and he never could close down. This means that if Lucas tries to close down SG won't follow leaving giant holes behind him right infront of our back 4 - that's Gerrards fault not Lucas'. Full stats are available on the club website, where you can also compare any player in the prem - I suggest you guys check it out. I know stats are not everything, but you will soon find out who does ALL the tackling in our midfield... Agreed. Lucas' positional sense in midfield makes his job look so easy. But it isn't. I thought he played very well against Sunderland. Football is a territorial game and Lucas plays that game well.
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Joined: Aug 2011
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I'm struggling to believe that he's been booked 5 times already this season tbh! Must be the highest in the prem I reckon. BR needs to be having some SERIOUS werds with him. Let's be honest, he's been consistently cr@p so far this season and he's been let off the hook, particularly in this forum. He's untouchable though as there is no competition for him. Jesus Christ some of our fans know fack-all about football. Wakka, gnp-up and TrueRed hang your heads in shame. Lucas is untouchable because he's so facking good. He always shows for the ball, rarely, if ever, loses it. His passes nearly always reach base. He intercepts and tackles as much as almost anyone in the prem, and wins nearly all our midfield headers. He reads the game like a facking legend, constantly closing down attacks before they even start. On current form he twice the player Gerrard is. If anything his game is getting ruined by having SG next to him who constantly switches off or watches players run straight past him and he never could close down. This means that if Lucas tries to close down SG won't follow leaving giant holes behind him right infront of our back 4 - that's Gerrards fault not Lucas'. Full stats are available on the club website, where you can also compare any player in the prem - I suggest you guys check it out. I know stats are not everything, but you will soon find out who does ALL the tackling in our midfield... +1. I thoroughly agree. Lucas has been great. Most tackles in the league, tons of interceptions, and very accurate passing. Gerrard, unfortunately, has been poor. We do need another DM, but only because we are so reliant on those two. We need competition, not to move on our best players.
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Joined: Jan 2011
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5 yellow cards this early in the season. Not surprising though. how many times does he chase an opponent down and the intent is obvious he is going to commit a foul?
There is a difference between being a tough tackler and being a cheat.
we can push one of our defenders up into the midfield to do a decent job of tackling and passing in his absence.
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5 yellow cards this early in the season. Not surprising though. how many times does he chase an opponent down and the intent is obvious he is going to commit a foul?
There is a difference between being a tough tackler and being a cheat.
we can push one of our defenders up into the midfield to do a decent job of tackling and passing in his absence. that's the first time ive heard anyone call Lucas a cheat 
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Joined: Aug 2011
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Lucas is an easy target because what he does so well can go largely unnoticed, people are too easily impressed by step overs and through balls and don't realise just how important a player like Lucas is. He's versatile as well, I'd love to see him player further forward as an experiment in a game were the result is wrapped up, remember he was a box to box goal scoring, marauding midfielder when he came to Liverpool.
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Tbh he still does a great job when needed but def hasn't returned to pre injury form. My question is should we really need him vs palace, Cardiff ye get the drift. Absolutely necessary vs the big guns but surely we should be capable of destroying weaker sides without 1 or sometimes 2 dm
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I agree, which is why I'd rather see Lucas replaced by Alberto than Toure at defensive mid this weekend.
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