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Michu is 27, he was basically unknown until the age of 26. Guys, you don't hae to believe me, but take 5 minutes to read the following. I am not claiming to have discovered America, I am just passing on what studies have shown. http://www.askmen.com/sports/fanatic_300/325_the-best-age-for-athletes.html
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I read attacking players reach their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25, which is fine in my books. This means that Aspas should be at his peak. If what I have seen is his peak then I don't know what his trough is.
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PB, Did you actually read it, it says players who have something special usually hit their peak at 19, but typically attackers hit their peak at 23 and defenders at 25.
So where did you get 26 and 30 from, that was talking about Basketball, Baseball and Tennis.
Then it goes on to talk about how Wenger is an expert at getting rid of players when their form dips, before anyone notices and manages to make money out of them. Something we've only managed to do with Torres.
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I read attacking players reach their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25, which is fine in my books. This means that Aspas should be at his peak. If what I have seen is his peak then I don't know what his trough is.
Going by that Aspas is already past his peak and Alberto isn't anything special as he would have already peaked, which means we've bought 2 middle of the road players for high prices, which is what I thought.
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Yes I read it, let me quote some of it for you. Also, I am not talking about superstars like CR, Messi etc, but about good players like Giroud, Podolski, Pedro, Benzema. No one said Alberto is gonna be the next CR.
I’ll start with my own study. I wanted to know the ages of the world’s best players, so I identified the most regular players of seven of soccer’s best clubs: Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I chose the 13 to 15 players per club who had played most league games by that point in the 2011 season. That left me with the 100 players who made up soccer’s elite. Then I mapped their age distribution.
Looking at this distribution, certain things immediately stand out. One is the long apprenticeship before entering the elite. Even though good soccer players typically make their professional debuts at around age 18, few become regulars at the top level until they are at least 23. Only 13% of our sample is younger than that. Defenders break through even later. The world’s elite at that point included just three defenders under 24: Rafael da Silva, Holger Badstuber and Marcelo.
There are some obvious implications here. One is that kids who do become regulars are probably something special. In recent years, this select category has included Leo Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. That bodes extremely well for Arsenal’s 20-year-old stalwart Jack Wilshere and his teammate Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has only just turned 19.
But the mere mortals under 22 who warm benches at big clubs shouldn't get antsy. To the contrary, they should be very proud; their careers are perfectly on track. Jeffrey Bruma, Chelsea’s 20-year-old currently on loan to Hamburger SV, must know that defenders his age don’t exist in top-class soccer. He can expect a continuing apprenticeship at smaller clubs (soccer’s equivalent of going to university) before he gets a proper shot at Chelsea’s first team.
Different leagues, same story
Attacking players usually enter their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25. The peak typically lasts until 31. At the time of my study, over 70% of the world’s leading outfield players were between those ages. There’s little variation, either upward or downward. Even Inter Milan, who then had the oldest squad of any European professional club (according to a study by the Professional Football Players Observatory), had an average age of just 29.61.
It's no wonder, since male ballplayers in almost all sports peak somewhere between 26 and 29. For instance, the average age of an NBA player going into the 2011 season was 26.77. Every team in the MLB in 2010 had an average age somewhere between 25.9 (for the Cleveland Indians) and 28.7 (the Philadelphia Phillies). The average age of the top 10 men's tennis players is currently 26.8. And ice hockey players peak at 27, according to statistics.
Looking at the few players in my sample aged 33 and over, you'll find one predictor of longevity. These men tend to have spent their summers resting, not playing in international tournaments like the World Cup. Giggs (Wales), Ivan Cordoba (Colombia) and Daniel van Buyten (Belgium) play for unsuccessful countries. (The Olympics will almost certainly be the only international tournament of Giggs’ career.) Paul Scholes retired from the England team in 2004.
ANYWAY, the point is, he is only 20, he is not 23 yet either. Secondly, I said 26 to 20, 4 year period for the peak. You said 24 to 26 *2 year period(, I guess we were both slightly off, but the point is, their peak lasts until they are thirty or so and he is only 20. he is still learning and is right on track. He look a good player to me and still does.
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8m for a 20 year old suggests he's pretty hot property.
It's ok putting certain parts in bold without actually reading the whole thing, I can do it too.
It clearly says that players who are special hit their peak at a young age, so why did we waste so much money, that's the part you're not understanding. For the same price we could have bought Eriksen, who would have gone straight in to the first team.
Most peak's don't last as long as you suggest, most striker's peaks are very short, that doesn't mean they aren't good anymore though, the peak being where they are at their best and can't get any better.
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Torres for example hit his peak when he was 23, he got progressively worse after that, with the odd glimmer of hope.
Owen had a longer peak between the ages of 21 and 23. After that he got progressively worse.
Fowler's peak was between 19 and 22, again after that he never recaptured that form.
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Yes I read it, let me quote some of it for you. Also, I am not talking about superstars like CR, Messi etc, but about good players like Giroud, Podolski, Pedro, Benzema. No one said Alberto is gonna be the next CR.
I’ll start with my own study. I wanted to know the ages of the world’s best players, so I identified the most regular players of seven of soccer’s best clubs: Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I chose the 13 to 15 players per club who had played most league games by that point in the 2011 season. That left me with the 100 players who made up soccer’s elite. Then I mapped their age distribution.
Looking at this distribution, certain things immediately stand out. One is the long apprenticeship before entering the elite. Even though good soccer players typically make their professional debuts at around age 18, few become regulars at the top level until they are at least 23. Only 13% of our sample is younger than that. Defenders break through even later. The world’s elite at that point included just three defenders under 24: Rafael da Silva, Holger Badstuber and Marcelo.
There are some obvious implications here. One is that kids who do become regulars are probably something special. In recent years, this select category has included Leo Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. That bodes extremely well for Arsenal’s 20-year-old stalwart Jack Wilshere and his teammate Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has only just turned 19.
But the mere mortals under 22 who warm benches at big clubs shouldn't get antsy. To the contrary, they should be very proud; their careers are perfectly on track. Jeffrey Bruma, Chelsea’s 20-year-old currently on loan to Hamburger SV, must know that defenders his age don’t exist in top-class soccer. He can expect a continuing apprenticeship at smaller clubs (soccer’s equivalent of going to university) before he gets a proper shot at Chelsea’s first team.
Different leagues, same story
Attacking players usually enter their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25. The peak typically lasts until 31. At the time of my study, over 70% of the world’s leading outfield players were between those ages. There’s little variation, either upward or downward. Even Inter Milan, who then had the oldest squad of any European professional club (according to a study by the Professional Football Players Observatory), had an average age of just 29.61.
It's no wonder, since male ballplayers in almost all sports peak somewhere between 26 and 29. For instance, the average age of an NBA player going into the 2011 season was 26.77. Every team in the MLB in 2010 had an average age somewhere between 25.9 (for the Cleveland Indians) and 28.7 (the Philadelphia Phillies). The average age of the top 10 men's tennis players is currently 26.8. And ice hockey players peak at 27, according to statistics.
Looking at the few players in my sample aged 33 and over, you'll find one predictor of longevity. These men tend to have spent their summers resting, not playing in international tournaments like the World Cup. Giggs (Wales), Ivan Cordoba (Colombia) and Daniel van Buyten (Belgium) play for unsuccessful countries. (The Olympics will almost certainly be the only international tournament of Giggs’ career.) Paul Scholes retired from the England team in 2004.
ANYWAY, the point is, he is only 20, he is not 23 yet either. Secondly, I said 26 to 20, 4 year period for the peak. You said 24 to 26 *2 year period(, I guess we were both slightly off, but the point is, their peak lasts until they are thirty or so and he is only 20. he is still learning and is right on track. He look a good player to me and still does. Please don't compare Podolski and Benzema to Aspas, they were both great at a very young age in their respective leagues, Podolski if I am not mistaken, played for Germany when he was 20 and in competitive games, Benzema was a superstar at Lyon since he was very young before moving to Real. Pedro is about the same age as Aspas, but are you saying Aspas is as good as him? Unless you are talking about his games at Celta Vigo (which I didn't watch I admit), I don't know what you are talking about, sorry. You had a similar stand with Borini who you thought was or is Prolific, we all see where this is going.
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What about Ronaldo? What about the other Ronaldo? What about Giigs? What about Beckham? What about Ibrahimovic? What about Tevez? What about Alonso? What about Xavi, Iniesta, Robben, Drogba...how long did their peaks last?
Secondly, it does not say anywhere that extremely good players hit their peaks at a very young age, but that some do. I am not suggesting that the peaks last a certain amount of time, SCIENTIFIC STUDIES HAVE PROVEN THIS...it's got nothing to do with me suggesting it.
Perhaps you should try reading it again, i'll even paste the part you should pay attention to below.
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There are some obvious implications here. One is that kids who do become regulars are probably something special. In recent years, this select category has included Leo Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. That bodes extremely well for Arsenal’s 20-year-old stalwart Jack Wilshere and his teammate Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has only just turned 19.
(let me explain- what this means is that players who manage to break into the first team as regulars at the tender age of 19 usually go on to become really top class players. It does not mean that those who break into the team later do not become top class though, as you are interpretting)
Attacking players usually enter their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25. The peak typically lasts until 31. At the time of my study, over 70% of the world’s leading outfield players were between those ages. There’s little variation, either upward or downward.
(Let me explain- this is not me suggesting the length a peak lasts, but what studies have proven. You can be sarcastic and deny it all you want, but the evidence contradicts you).
I read the entire piece, perhaps you should read it again. If you still want to refuse to believe science, so be it.
Last but not least, Alberto's price tag is justified because he has the potential to be worth 25-30 mil in 5 years time. Just like Luis cost 25 but is now worth double, or Torres or so many other players.
The price you see as adequate to pay for a player all depends on your strategy as a clb, would you rather pay 25 mil now and get the finished article, or pay 8 mil and polish the gem yourself so you could have the finished article in a few years, taylor made.
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Yes I read it, let me quote some of it for you. Also, I am not talking about superstars like CR, Messi etc, but about good players like Giroud, Podolski, Pedro, Benzema. No one said Alberto is gonna be the next CR.
I’ll start with my own study. I wanted to know the ages of the world’s best players, so I identified the most regular players of seven of soccer’s best clubs: Chelsea, Manchester United, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Inter Milan. I chose the 13 to 15 players per club who had played most league games by that point in the 2011 season. That left me with the 100 players who made up soccer’s elite. Then I mapped their age distribution.
Looking at this distribution, certain things immediately stand out. One is the long apprenticeship before entering the elite. Even though good soccer players typically make their professional debuts at around age 18, few become regulars at the top level until they are at least 23. Only 13% of our sample is younger than that. Defenders break through even later. The world’s elite at that point included just three defenders under 24: Rafael da Silva, Holger Badstuber and Marcelo.
There are some obvious implications here. One is that kids who do become regulars are probably something special. In recent years, this select category has included Leo Messi, Cesc Fabregas, Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. That bodes extremely well for Arsenal’s 20-year-old stalwart Jack Wilshere and his teammate Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, who has only just turned 19.
But the mere mortals under 22 who warm benches at big clubs shouldn't get antsy. To the contrary, they should be very proud; their careers are perfectly on track. Jeffrey Bruma, Chelsea’s 20-year-old currently on loan to Hamburger SV, must know that defenders his age don’t exist in top-class soccer. He can expect a continuing apprenticeship at smaller clubs (soccer’s equivalent of going to university) before he gets a proper shot at Chelsea’s first team.
Different leagues, same story
Attacking players usually enter their peak at 23 and defenders do so at 25. The peak typically lasts until 31. At the time of my study, over 70% of the world’s leading outfield players were between those ages. There’s little variation, either upward or downward. Even Inter Milan, who then had the oldest squad of any European professional club (according to a study by the Professional Football Players Observatory), had an average age of just 29.61.
It's no wonder, since male ballplayers in almost all sports peak somewhere between 26 and 29. For instance, the average age of an NBA player going into the 2011 season was 26.77. Every team in the MLB in 2010 had an average age somewhere between 25.9 (for the Cleveland Indians) and 28.7 (the Philadelphia Phillies). The average age of the top 10 men's tennis players is currently 26.8. And ice hockey players peak at 27, according to statistics.
Looking at the few players in my sample aged 33 and over, you'll find one predictor of longevity. These men tend to have spent their summers resting, not playing in international tournaments like the World Cup. Giggs (Wales), Ivan Cordoba (Colombia) and Daniel van Buyten (Belgium) play for unsuccessful countries. (The Olympics will almost certainly be the only international tournament of Giggs’ career.) Paul Scholes retired from the England team in 2004.
ANYWAY, the point is, he is only 20, he is not 23 yet either. Secondly, I said 26 to 20, 4 year period for the peak. You said 24 to 26 *2 year period(, I guess we were both slightly off, but the point is, their peak lasts until they are thirty or so and he is only 20. he is still learning and is right on track. He look a good player to me and still does. Please don't compare Podolski and Benzema to Aspas, they were both great at a very young age in their respective leagues, Podolski if I am not mistaken, played for Germany when he was 20 and in competitive games, Benzema was a superstar at Lyon since he was very young before moving to Real. Pedro is about the same age as Aspas, but are you saying Aspas is as good as him? Unless you are talking about his games at Celta Vigo (which I didn't watch I admit), I don't know what you are talking about, sorry. You had a similar stand with Borini who you thought was or is Prolific, we all see where this is going. Vish, for starters, we are discussing luis Alberto, not Aspas 
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