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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I maintain as a supporter you can tell whether a player is going to be good within a short space of time often within the first few touches. This does not just apply to football but all sports.

Also I don't want to elevate match day fans but I honestly think you get a better idea seeing it in the flesh rather than on tv. I know it sounds illogical but there's something about seeing it yards away from yourself. I remember the first time I saw Paul Gascogne I was astounded at his skills which were sublime. I would not have seen it on the tv.

No disrespect intended just making that point

So what is it that determines class ?

For me it's these

Time - this is the main one all top sportsmen seem to have twice the time as the others.

Effortless - they make it look easy.

Innovative - they do things you have never thought of and do the unexpected

Anticipation - the crowd picks up on the skill and there is an anticipation that is almost audible and tangible. I remember being at old traffiord when John Barnes was running them ragged. You could hear the old traffiord crowd breathe in when the ball went to him which Liverpool were trying to do at every opportunity.

Of course it's all relative players span from poor to world class and somewhere in between.

So that's what I would say are the attributes of quality what would you say and would you like to add any ?


Only works sometimes... otherwise you wouldn't have been wrong about Lucas and Henderson.


Absolutely 100% 101+

The number of players who have been written off as what can't even be described as at 'an early age', only to come on and genuinely impress is indescribable. I believe I've seen the likes of Lucas, Kuty, Crouch, Belamy, Carroll and Henderson (to name a few) described as rubish (by regular uses of koptalk) only to be adored as cult heroes or genuine kop heroes.

I say this in the complete knowledge that Stan already dislikes me and believes that I'm rather quick to judge but.. the only people I've ever known to judge within the 'short space of time' (difficult to define..) only ever turn out to be monstrously wrong or idiots.

Apologies for anyone who finds this offensive or for a lack of spelling and/or grammar but I am massively drunk and in fact keep reaching for my phone in order to control the cursor, only to find that it is not the mouse!

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First king I don't dislike you and great you have had a few.

The players you mention are good players but none I would say are class payers. Lucas and Henderson are functional. I can't think of any player to be honest that was rubbish when they broke into the first team but became a too player. Maybe there is but I can't think of any ever.

Any ideas ?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
First king I don't dislike you and great you have had a few.

The players you mention are good players but none I would say are class payers. Lucas and Henderson are functional. I can't think of any player to be honest that was rubbish when they broke into the first team but became a too player. Maybe there is but I can't think of any ever.

Any ideas ?


Stan, the first comment you ever made that actually acknowledged my existence actually stated that you didn't like me frown

I've carried what I've felt as an injustice with me ever since :'( - I'm only approaching the fact that I've been on the lash tonight! wink

Anyhow - Ypu've pointed out that Lucas and Henderson are both functional.. I must admit that I don't undersyand what you mean by that, either they're not good players, good players who can't improve or players who have the potential to improve, personally I don't categories players in any other way.

Right now I see them both as good players (at varying levels of 'good', seeing as they bring different things to the table) but will both most certainly bring something to the table.

Again, apologies if I'm completely misinterpreting what you're saying here, I am very drunk and will now go and try to eat something. If I'm missing the point, just set me straight.

Cya soon.

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I like you KotK,and i love drunk posts too.


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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When I am drunk I aways want Chips and curry. Lines your stomach


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lumba I am actually genuineslly infatuated with you and will only regrewt admitting it tomorrow! What feels now like it was ten years ago, there was a thread about which koptalk users you'd go for a pint with.. you are my choice!

This confession is very much drink fueled and I'll regret it tomorrow but it['s my first day back at Uni and I've been taking advantage of freshers week.

By the way, Lain is also fuckking awesome and I'd got for a pint with her too!
Apologies stan for detracting from the topic.

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jan molby is a gr8 example,he was class.

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Originally Posted By: andy hutton
jan molby is a gr8 example,he was class.


Yes! And Danish too.

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King ?

Can I ask a question ?

What do you think.,,,and I mean really think about this.

Buy one get one free offers in supermarkets do you think they are a good thing? Or is it cheating the public?

I often think about this never told anyone before


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I have massive amounts of respect for you as a koptalk user Stan and will attempy to answer that question with 100% sincerity, even though I suspiciously feel (as most drunk people do!) that you may be humoring me!

Buy one get one free, just as.. buy two for the price of three, are unshamably (is this actually a word) taking advantage of shoppers. There simply is no such thing as buying something in order to get a second or third product for free and exploiting consumers in such ways is quite terrible. However, when virgin megastores actually existed on and especially on clayton square, I was a complete sucker for two for the price of three on DVDS and Music CDS!

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