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You're definitely right about them being damned if they do or don't. I just think this window has shown a lack of real intent. I'm all for not overpaying but if its s coue of million which, as bad as it sounds, isn't that much then they really should stump up the cash.
Lets just hope you're right about them. But we need actions from them whether that be splashing £30m on a player or getting the stadium done just something. And JH could show his face a bit more too (and his wife's!).
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So what attracted you Linda to the billionaire John Henry ? His huge penis from all the dicking. Around
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You're definitely right about them being damned if they do or don't. I just think this window has shown a lack of real intent. I'm all for not overpaying but if its s coue of million which, as bad as it sounds, isn't that much then they really should stump up the cash.
Lets just hope you're right about them. But we need actions from them whether that be splashing £30m on a player or getting the stadium done just something. And JH could show his face a bit more too (and his wife's!). I think that is the problem though. Would a couple of million have made a difference in any of those deals?! We offered the same as Dortmund and missed out. We offered Costa's release clause and he stayed. Willian is the only guy we didn't raise the price for... in the end, he actually still would have gone to Chelsea (be truthful... you know he would have). I think fans are dependent purely on actions and I think its a shame, because I don't think they've made enough mistakes to not at least take their word so far along the way. It is very easy to say "we should have signed all of Spurs' signings." If you are wrong as a fan, you hold up your hands and say I made a mistake. FSG don't have the same position. The fans that wanted him will blame the club for not doing their homework or in minority, accept they made the same mistake... I think people think we need "perfect" pieces of a jigsaw. There isn't one... There are multiple options... It is like a safe whereby every combination brings about a different opening with a different prize... There are lots of rewarding and unrewarding combinations. Sometimes the best "player" on the market, doesn't fit in the best combination.
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If you watch the video he explains why wilkij1975.
Look, I think they're being damned either way. They look for value in the market and get criticised for not paying more. They pay more and they get criticised for over-paying. They get criticised for not building a strong enough squad. They get criticised for spending too much on salaries. They get criticised for selling players that actually aren't playing but costing the club money. They get criticised for choosing to stay at Anfield rather than fund a stadium. They get criticised for not investing millions from their own pocket to fund everything... And then, why they change how they work and spend they get criticised against the mistakes they've admitted and changed... WHERE DOES IT END?!
I'm baffled by the sheer hatred towards the owners. I'll be severely disheartened if fans drive them out. They're not the best thing since sliced bread, but they are proven successful owners... And despite not spending big on players, and purely signing players with some talent in form... Now they're criticised for missing out on what, 4 players, for signing players people haven't seen but judged already. Some other Liverpool fans have rarely been as fickle as they appear today.
All this talk of "we need to spend big" ... If we sign top players for good prices, they are still top players. Mignolet has been great for Sunderland. He has saved us at least 2 pts already, and still some people want to moan, others now think he is the best keeper ever. Toure was "shocking," now he is "formidable and brilliant," Aspas is criticised for not scoring... which is laughable because up until Notts County, only Sturridge had... Sakho looks like he is soon to sign and now there is criticism they are over-spending... It is hilarious. I'll be glad when the window closes. Not because I don't adore the rumour mill, because I revel in it... purely because I don't have to put up with fans moaning that we're not spending, when in fact, as I stated right at the start, we will, we are, we'll continue to.
I think you have to take this forum with a pinch of salt sometimes jj, not many of the users get out often and I don't think their views represent how the entirety of Liverpool fans feel towards FSG, Ayre or Brendan Rodgers. I've no real problem with them, however this transfer window has been extremely disappointing (so far). We're supposed to be receiving an extra £50million from the new TV deal and yet where is that? And this is at a time I feel it's crucial to invest if they're serious of getting us back to the top, especially with Spurs (our main rivals for a fourth place finish) investing so well. I'm not dead against them, I'm just skeptical at this point because, well let's face it, they haven't done a lot yet, have they? As I said earlier, talk is cheap and if they want to win the fans over, they need to do a lot more than just saying the right things in interviews. In fact, if the club was moving in the right direction, things were progressing well on and off the pitch, would we hear anything from them at all?
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Money is not the only factor ts as jj says combination and management skill. But takening that as a given in general terms the teams that spend the most do the best over the long term. It's always been that way even in the 70s
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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You're definitely right about them being damned if they do or don't. I just think this window has shown a lack of real intent. I'm all for not overpaying but if its s coue of million which, as bad as it sounds, isn't that much then they really should stump up the cash.
Lets just hope you're right about them. But we need actions from them whether that be splashing £30m on a player or getting the stadium done just something. And JH could show his face a bit more too (and his wife's!). I think that is the problem though. Would a couple of million have made a difference in any of those deals?! We offered the same as Dortmund and missed out. We offered Costa's release clause and he stayed. Willian is the only guy we didn't raise the price for... in the end, he actually still would have gone to Chelsea (be truthful... you know he would have). I think fans are dependent purely on actions and I think its a shame, because I don't think they've made enough mistakes to not at least take their word so far along the way. It is very easy to say "we should have signed all of Spurs' signings." If you are wrong as a fan, you hold up your hands and say I made a mistake. FSG don't have the same position. The fans that wanted him will blame the club for not doing their homework or in minority, accept they made the same mistake... I think people think we need "perfect" pieces of a jigsaw. There isn't one... There are muljtiple options... It is like a safe whereby every combination brings about a different opening with a different prize... There are lots of rewarding and unrewarding combinations. Sometimes the best "player" on the market, doesn't fit in the best combination. And why haven't we signed a centre half yet, our main priority IMO?
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We signed Toure, who surprised Rodgers enough that he didn't mind sitting out to find the right target (and I guess) hope to bring the price down a little. We did go for Papa right at the start too, (even if there is this continued belief that for some reason we went into the transfer dealings with no intent haha) but he was very highly priced... The club deliberated waiting to see how he returned from injury. Maybe even hold off on him until January. Sakho became available, Papa got injured, the rest is history.
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And putting yourself on camera speaking so unrehearsed about the club in broad daylight... This who "actions speak louder than words" mantra is just a way to forever criticise... They also put themselves infront of a camera and told us all 'we can compete with anyone in world football' When coming out of the hotel when it was breaking news that FSG had taken over he said 'we dont plan to do alot of talking, we will let our actions speak or us' 'we will do whatever it takes to win'
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We signed Toure, who surprised Rodgers enough that he didn't mind sitting out to find the right target (and I guess) hope to bring the price down a little. We did go for Papa right at the start too, (even if there is this continued belief that for some reason we went into the transfer dealings with no intent haha) but he was very highly priced... The club deliberated waiting to see how he returned from injury. Maybe even hold off on him until January. Sakho became available, Papa got injured, the rest is history. If that was/is the case, I would say it was as irresponsible as the forward player saga last year (ending up with only Suarez as a proper striker). How can anybody feel that we can afford to take a risk without a proper back up for Agger and Toure with Skrtel not wanted by BR and maybe wait until Jan. The rest will be history if we don't end up losing our game on Sunday because we do not have a proper centre half and we do sign Sakho in the next couple of days.
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A marquee would change everything JJ - they need to put their money where their mouths are! Simples! +1
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