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Well given that the Yarmolenko rumours have been circling today, to the point where the odds have significantly dropped. And we've also been rumoured to be back in for a centre-half, yeah... I think we definitely have a better strategy from top scouts, and we aren't acting like amateurs. Do any fans have any faith in people that work in the club, or are they all morons..?

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Originally Posted By: jjmelling/Stato
Well given that the Yarmolenko rumours have been circling today, to the point where the odds have significantly dropped. And we've also been rumoured to be back in for a centre-half, yeah... I think we definitely have a better strategy from top scouts, and we aren't acting like amateurs. Do any fans have any faith in people that work in the club, or are they all morons..?


I don't have a lot of faith I must admit especially with what happened last year in Jan and again in August (we were lucky that Suarez didn't get injured), I hope to be wrong. We'll know very soon, 2 weeks regarding transfers and 4-5 weeks if we do not get more than 10 pts after 5 games.

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I voted "1" and "other"

The other is based on the length of contracts and how easy it is for a player to simply "walk" at the end of it for nothing.

What you need is to sign the best possible players that fit into your system and around the players you are basing your team and your style around. Within that there is a bit of give and take but there is also a point at which the squeeze is not worth the juice. Too easy to get involved in an auction and ending up paying over the odds for a player that only fitted 75% of your requirement in the first place. I am pretty sure that Man City can operate within that sphere and that Spurs are trying to match them this season.

Man City over the last 5 years have signed most of the Arsenal squad and overtook them in the process. They then overtook their rivals by signing Tevez.

Then there is the Man Utd approach which last season was all based around signing Van Persie. It was all they needed to do.

Arsenal now with money in tow have been trying to sign players but predominantly Suarez as that is what they need to put a bit of silver in the trophy room.

We are struggling to sign players because we are not top 4 and due to quite a few failures in the last 8 years or so our owners have at last called time on spending more than is absolutely necessary.

We have however raised the profile of some very good players and turned them into World class such as Torres and Suarez. One succeeded the other and it is only right for the club to want the next one to join Suarez and not succeed him. This may take time. It may also mean that there are several targets who we can move on to because of the way the manager is playing his football.

Are Spurs that much better to play for? Are their fans really behind their club? Does their club give a player with issues seemingly unconditional support?

We have to follow the strategy through. There is still a link to wages following on what you pay for a player in transfer fees. It stands to reason that if you pay £17m for Downing that he will have wages of £70k a week. If you pay £30m for Willian he is going to want around £130k a week. At the end of the day both are overpriced and do not offer value for money. Once you reach that stage you have no sell on value and you have a player contracted up to your financial eyeballs.

Man City have circumnavigated this with their sponsorship deals and Tottenham will no doubt Bale themselves out.

Man United without Ferguson may struggle to be the same power but we cannot go the way of Arsenal selling our best players (Toure, Fabregas, Nasri, Adebayor, Clichy) and then attracting nobody.

I think we are getting this right. It will take a little time but the one thing missing last season was a bit of consistency in results.

I think we are on the up.

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I also opted for other simply because as mentioned above it really depends on the individual circumstances surrounding each transfer.

Assuming we are in for a player who has been made available and therefore is potentially for sale at less than the players true value and a rival comes and bids higher do we pull out? Well if the player is already undervalued then in those circumstances matching the bid seems reasonable. For example when we signed Coutinho we payed around 8 mill which was probably slightly less than his true value. If spurs had came and in and bid 10 should we have matched the bid or pulled out? Although its easy now to answer this with the gift of hindsight my point is it really comes down to the valuation and availability of each player.

With Coutinho if we had lost out to Southampton who were also in for him over a few mill we would have been kicking ourselves. However that is not me simply saying throw in some extra money in case we miss out. When we signed Joe Allen for 15 mill it was obviously decided that the club considered that an acceptable value for the player however no doubt 15 mill was the maximum the club where prepared to pay for him. Had another team come in and bid 17 mill would it be wise to match it?

Therefore I don't feel there is any set formula to this its really a matter of how important the player is to the club and whether the valuation of what we were going to pay before being bid up was already at the maximum of the players value or not.

Regarding the Willian situation I am almost sure the club have done the right thing. Firstly the amount of money in question for him is not a bargain price. It is around the players maximum value and close to what Anzhi payed for him and the only reason he went there was because they were prepared to blow so much on him. Therefore I feel the price spurs are paying is much a reflection on Anzhi as on Willian. (although he is a good player) Secondly for us to spend that much money on a player who is essentially an after thought I think is just too much of a gamble. Also Willian appears to be a bit of a mercenary considering he moved to essentially the middle of no where just for a massive pay check. Not to mention the picture of him on twitter with what he calls the best agents ever (He's advised by Kia Joorabchian) and with us clearly trying to build a young hungry squad I just can't help but feel we might have dodged a bullet with this one but I could be wrong.

Basically there was something about the Willian deal which just didn't sit right with me. Having said all of that I would seriously like to think that a few signings are just around the corner.

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i went for undecided because every transfer is different. if we were looking for a squad player i wouldnt go much over my valuation but if it was the last piece of the jigsaw i would go over the valuation

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