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dont have to wait no more B R HAS SAID WE SHOULD FINISH TOP FOUR thats good start! dont you agree with him jj and pb Right now, I think we've improved more than our competition for 4th. Where Everton have been hit and miss all season, we've steadily improved. Taking our last half season over an entire season, gives a truer reflection of where we stand now. I see us as potential challenges, rather than probable challengers, but I expect signings are to come, so I'm not too worried right now. I don't think it's only impatience. If I am not mistaken, it must be the worst 3 years period we have had in 30 years. On top of that very few people feel that there will be much of an improvement in the 4th year, a poll done here a few weeks back shows a majority saying 6th. Now if we see an improvement (6th is not as we finished between 6th and 8th) the belief on FSG will change, it's not only emotional. At least for Red Sox the improvement was quicker in the initial years if I may add, then regress to some extent. I personally believe that there should have been more investment to close the gap then continue as a self sustained enetity, i only hope that I will see some of it in this transfer window, else, i feel that all good players would wish to go because they have lost belief of competing at the highest level and the global brand will suffer. Take account of what the club is going through now, not what it has went through. We are 3 years on from near financial ruin. We have had owners taking the big gamble to catch us up quickly (which failed) and we have changed our strategy to build slower with better foundations for improvement. You're plucking 1 statistic without acknowledge of all of them. That is where, for me, your argument falls foul. Where we we before they took over and what were the circumstances. Where are we now and what are the circumstances. They are much easier to quantify and analyise than, we haven't been out of the top 4 for this long since 1993, or 7th or lower twice in a row since 1954. Its ludicrous analysis that takes no account of changes in competition, stability of club etc. If you're seriously suggesting to stop running as a self-sustained entity you clearly have no understanding of business and football clubs. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see FSG invest some money, but the club HAS TO RUN SUSTAINABLY, or... THERE IS NO CLUB. You are suggesting something, not backing it up, then suggesting random possibilities of what could happen. It makes no sense to me to do that. We've already had Rodgers being clear that we are looking for at least a couple of players... What I said was invest to close the gap with investment initially and then run the club in a self sustained way. This is what should be done when the gap is big. Where did i say I don't want the club to be run in a self sustained way? Me not knowing CLEARLY how business is run just make me laugh, you don't know me so what can I say. For you info I have turned around 2 businesses in the last 10 years, so I know what I am talking about, you believe me if you want, it's not going to change my life, i hope you can or will be able to say the same thing about yourself, the puff of the pudding is when you eat it. I will definitely not say that I know how to manage a business better than FSG and I am sure that they know how to make money, much better than me. However, I am definitely sure that making money doesn't always equate to being champions especially when you need to close a big gap, City and Chelsea for example have been champions but have been making losses and as shrewd business people FSG's main objective is to make money, this is what I can see right now. I have said it before, they are expecting FFP to change the football business environment. It's useless to debate with you any further, let's look at results on the field.
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3 victories so far this season, we're on a title-winning run in pre-season Vish!
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I think so... 2 wins, top 4, 3 wins title challengers.. 1 win mid-table... maybe you're right sixtiesred.
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What a load of tosh I have read on here.
City and Chelsea buying the titles that's only half the story I can't speak for Chelsea but city are building something big and will probably be bigger or as big as united within 5 years. New stadium and infrastructure of both manchester clubs we can only dream at and even after we have refurbished anfield whenever that will be.
As for patience we are approaching 25 years since we won the title and we seem to be going further away as time goes on.
I would be happy to have patience if I thought we were heading somewhere. It's quite possible we will start the season with Suarez at aresnal and all the top four clubs with big signings and us with rookies.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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I think there is a difference between patience for a club, and patience for new owners/managers/players though Stanley. The club, has waited a long time for success. FSG, as owners, haven't. They should be afforded the same time as every other club gives owners trying to make big changes to the inside of a club. Scrutinize every year if you wish, that can be anyone's prerogative. I personally feel blaspheming after 3 years is a little juvenile, immature, counter-intuitive and counter active. It helps no-one; and I really don't see any justification for up-rooting them as owners.
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3 victories so far this season, we're on a title-winning run in pre-season Vish! Great then
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3 victories so far this season, we're on a title-winning run in pre-season Vish! doing really well in pre season 8 goals none against getting fitter its going pretty good i think .
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What a load of tosh I have read on here.
City and Chelsea buying the titles that's only half the story I can't speak for Chelsea but city are building something big and will probably be bigger or as big as united within 5 years. New stadium and infrastructure of both manchester clubs we can only dream at and even after we have refurbished anfield whenever that will be.
As for patience we are approaching 25 years since we won the title and we seem to be going further away as time goes on.
I would be happy to have patience if I thought we were heading somewhere. It's quite possible we will start the season with Suarez at aresnal and all the top four clubs with big signings and us with rookies.
Agree with you SP, Chelsea and now City are investing in building a brand which did not have much of a value when their owners took over. We still have a brand but we are not investing much to strengthen it. We are however reaping benefits from the existing brand by getting better sponsorship deals, but not for long if we do not get back to success on the pitch. As a result Chelsea shirt sale is already higher than us and both them and City had higher revenues than us last year. I am sure that on the current trend they will be bigger brands than us in less than a decade, and they will not have to keep on spending as they have been recently, i even feel that Chelsea will drop their spending rather sooner than later and keep winning with Mourinho.
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As for patience we are approaching 25 years since we won the title and we seem to be going further away as time goes on.
is that brendan rodgers fault or FSG's fault ?, or are years and years of waste and failure by previous regimes to blame ?.
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It's not the 3 wins that impresses me, it's the no goals conceded!
Sign Reus
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