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I mean, both have had much different lifespans with FSG as owners too. They are 11 years into the project. We aren't anywhere near that. I don't understand the impatience to let them turn the club around.

Seems to me he is actually John Henry as he says it's HIS club....the only logical explanation is that he owns the club.

Maybe he is LeBron!

I think thats what it all boils down to JJ, at least thats my interpretation, fans on here seem to have lost their patience and no longer want to wait. I know its been a very long wait for the title, but FSG have only had a few years, hardly enough.

It seems in this era of Chelsea's City's and such, fans of all clubs expect the same now, they all want billionaire owners who throw money at the club and buy the title. It's not what i want as i dont believe it is sustainable.

LeBron...it's possible. If so, LeBron i would just like to say, you need to work on your jumpshot...nah just kidding.

You're right, and I share those sentiments Prolific. Patience is a virtue given to those you deem fit. If they don't deem them fit, then they're not going to give them time. I just find it a bit hypocritical, when most on here dismiss Moores for selling out (despite doing a lot of good) but never thought to criticise him personally when we became stagnant in the 2000s in which he was in charge... We get H & G, who were terrible owners. Destroying the club from the inside out, but because they were "paying from the pockets" to any fan not looking into the details won't criticise them... And then we actually get owners trying to run the club sustainably, when for years we haven't, and they NOW get restless, and blame them for all these past mistakes.

Man City and Chelsea are proclaimed as idyllic clubs. Given how much respect they've commanded from us in the last 5 years (little because "they bought titles"), its funny how they are now being proclaimed as well run clubs, when City are racking up huge wages much like Chelsea, both of which struggling to meet FFP. Look into the details, and you know they're not well run, and any success they have isn't covering the costs they have racked up. It is baffling to me. Hypocritical isn't a strong enough word.

Haha... improve his jumpshot... genius!

I don't think it's'only impatience. If I am not mistaken, it must be the worst 3 years period we have had in 30 years. On top of that very few people feel that there will be much of an improvement in the 4th year, a poll done here a few weeks back shows a majority saying 6th. Now if we see an improvement (6th is not as we finished between 6th and 8th) the belief on FSG will change, it's not only emotional. At least for Red Sox the improvement was quicker in the initial years if I may add, then regress to some extent. I personally believe that there should have been more investment to close the gap then continue as a self sustained enetity, i only hope that I will see some of it in this transfer window, else, i feel that all good players would wish to go because they have lost belief of competing at the highest level and the global brand will suffer.

why did people on here laugh when Roberto Martinez said he would hopefuly get Everton in the top four yet when Rodgers does nobody laughs yet we both have exactly the same chance, quite baffling.

Wow, a few posts to answer to.

Firstly, i agree with JJ obviosly. I think that there was a lull in our fortunes over the past 3 years but that it is due to the rebuilding process, not only on the pitch but in the way the club is run, but i believe we will start reaping the benefits soon.

secondly, i really dont see this as an argument at the moment, but as a debate showcasing different opinions, with Vish's and JJ's posts as a prime example of how we can express different opinions without insults and with valid reasoning behind both posts.

Last but not least, as far as Everton is concerned and us, the reason I laugh off their chances of a top 4 finish is because in my mind we have a team of much higher quality, a much better manager who shows that he isnt afraid to stick to his guns whilst they have a manager who has been battling it out in the relegation zone for the past couple of years. Looking at our teams, we have a squad of better players, Sturridge/Suarez/Borini/Sterling/Aspas/Coutinho over Mirallas/Jelavić/Anichebe any day of the week. AGGER/Toure/Skrtel over Distin/Jagielka...they have a better left back perhaps and our midfield is pretty much the same, perhaps ours is slightly better.

Right now, I think we've improved more than our competition for 4th. Where Everton have been hit and miss all season, we've steadily improved. Taking our last half season over an entire season, gives a truer reflection of where we stand now. I see us as potential challenges, rather than probable challengers, but I expect signings are to come, so I'm not too worried right now.



Take account of what the club is going through now, not what it has went through. We are 3 years on from near financial ruin. We have had owners taking the big gamble to catch us up quickly (which failed) and we have changed our strategy to build slower with better foundations for improvement. You're plucking 1 statistic without acknowledge of all of them. That is where, for me, your argument falls foul. Where we we before they took over and what were the circumstances. Where are we now and what are the circumstances. They are much easier to quantify and analyise than, we haven't been out of the top 4 for this long since 1993, or 7th or lower twice in a row since 1954. Its ludicrous analysis that takes no account of changes in competition, stability of club etc.

If you're seriously suggesting to stop running as a self-sustained entity you clearly have no understanding of business and football clubs. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see FSG invest some money, but the club HAS TO RUN SUSTAINABLY, or... THERE IS NO CLUB.

You are suggesting something, not backing it up, then suggesting random possibilities of what could happen. It makes no sense to me to do that. We've already had Rodgers being clear that we are looking for at least a couple of players...