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He told you to stop misquoting him. Pleas read before getting angry.

I think he just doesn't like it when facts prove him wrong... It's not that he has another opinion. It is that there are so many holes in it that I've exploited, he just keeps repeating the same point that has already been questioned. Its baffling. I can't wait for FSG and Rodgers to win a trophy. It'll be a relief to you and me alike bro.

You just said "even if they want LFC to be successful." Now we're getting there Vish. How do you know where they get pleasure though? YOU DON'T.

I can tell you to stop misquoting me. And I can underline all the things that you've said aren't true which I have. They want to make money, and they want to have success, because that makes Liverpool worth more, and therefore their investment worth more, and therefore their umbrella company worth more... And... They have a record of doing it. If they were just in it for money, we'd have been far from first choice. You can choose to believe one thing, but disregarding fair points without explained reasoning is quite another.

I repeat, don't misquote me, and we don't need to argue.

When people are angry they don't read the whole post. It's funny really I do the same thing on the weekend when I've had a few beers.

I noticed that about a few posters on here..when they are proven wrong they either start blabbering away in tongues or start misquoting, or stating opinions as facts. I once got called by the name of a serbian war criminal because I defended FSG...I have also gone by the name of Laura on here, it was a nickname I got when I suggested FSG weren't all that bad.

Seems to me, people on here just need a reason to b1tch and moan, and screaming at the owners for not bringing in money by the truckload and buying all of the worlds stars is just one way for them to express their anger at the lack of a league title for some time now.

But good things come to those who wait. Demanding instant gratification (success) is a trait of toddlers..

Ok, the only place I noticed I misquoted you (i had to check back) was you said they were not in it just for the money and i interpreted it not for the money, sorry for that. I still maintain though that, as business people, they are in it for the money and they will make LFC successful again if it makes business sense in terms of returns. I might be wrong but I understood from your views that their prime objective is to make LFC successful. At the end if the day I have no issues with anybody making money if LFC is successful, however, I am not convinced with their approach yet. It looks to me that they are trying to do it on the cheap a bit like Arsenal has done, but Arsenal started when money just started to get poured in the game and at the back of winning big trophies + they invested in a stadium. I think that FSG should have invested may be 100m of capital in the club (in one transfer window) for a step change and build from there. It would have been more realistic to catch up.

OH dear God NO! Can you imagine if Kenny had another 100 mil to spend?

A very bold statement, prove it !


A 2 minute search on google comes up with this link showing FSG's net spending over the first 2 years to be £35 mill a year (70 in total).

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2012/09/fsg-total-grossnet-transfer-spending-at.html

From an owner who's worth $1.5 BILLION, that seems pretty p155 poor to me.
(http://www.forbes.com/profile/john-henry/)

Now what was that was being said that these Yanks are not in this for the money?

How much do you spend on your hobbies TrueRed? Or even better, how much do you spend on your work..? Just because someone is "worth $1.5bn" doesn't mean he has that to spend as CASH. In fact, it might be his business, but there are lots of investors into that business. Expecting him to front the cash to fix us immediately isn't worth the money.

BINGO !!

It is because I am a fan of my club it disgusts me that the owner sees my club as a hobby and as you vehemently defend FSG at any given opportunity then you fall into the same bucket of disgust!

What I expect of the owners of MY club, as does any real fan. Is for the owners to show as much passion and commitment towards success and achievement as I do !!

The underlying problem with FSG and Henry is that they do not show this commitment. Once ounce of passion from Dave Whealan towards Wigan is worth 50 ounces from Henry and bum boy Werner.

"Expecting him to front the cash to fix us immediately isn't worth the money." Say who, you? Ok, you are allowed opinion,fair enough.

But a fan of the club would respect owners more if they did inject some cash and took some personal risk. If the players or the manager under performs, then the fans will make this know on the terraces. But FSG's philosophy of "play it safe at any cost" is hurting the club. Every season we underachieve, the club is devalued.

Trust me, it is very hard being in a city surrounded buy blues these days when your nose is rubbed into failure every time you go for a pint.

The Title of this thread is about Rodgers being in control.

Yes if he identifies a target within an Aldi budget.

No if he wants to keep hold of a player that the yanks can see funding the Boston Red Sox annual salary bill of $140,657,500.

You haven't answered either of my questions. And you then go on to insult me. Have an alternate opinion, but one more foul comment of me, and you'll actually be the first person I have ever notified to the MODs.

How can I disgust you? You don't know me... You don't know whether I have more/less information than you on the matter. Your opinion is based on your own belief that YOU are the MOST INFORMED of anybody, which is just not true, unless you are in fact John Henry slating himself.

You say they show no commitment. They have shown commitment to buy the club, back every manager with a lot of money, and commitment to making the club sustainable to run long term. Sure, much of this was done without their personal worth, but most people would agree that investment of time and thought is much more important than money. I repeat a comment I made on another thread - do you respect the father who left you who gives who time, thought and interest, or the one who tries to buy your love?

When you say it is my opinion about money, it is not. It is about fact-based evidence that if 4 clubs spend big, you don't get 4 PL title winners. You can bridge the gap quicker, I admit, but it is risk vs reward. When money is on the line, you have to acknowledge that it is not always as simple as spending lots to get what you want.

Surely we respect owners that are doing their best for the club. Again, if you purely want to focus on how much money they invest, then fine. Do so, but the argument is singular, and there is many more factors you are refusing to discuss that do show commitment, opportunities to respect, and intent to do better.

Why do you care what other people say? Be proud to be a red. It is not hard. We've got a manager playing attractive football, on the back of a better season than the one before statistically, and with owners that have backed every manager with £35m a year NET SPEND, plus, a clear strategy in expanding the stadium and flexing their commercial weight with big sponsorship deals. It is not as if we're in a poor position financially now.

Ayre and Rodgers have already commented on who is in control. There are elements at any club, of managers being told they must move on players not warranting astronomical salaries and wages, but ultimately, he has the casting vote on every player the club sign. If he doesn't want him, he is thrown aside.

The Red Sox annual salary is irrelevent to us. Theirs is based on THEIR OWN INCOME, and OURS is based on OURS. You can't compare a business that brings in £50m revenue to one that brings in £200m on exactly the same level of spending and expenses, much the same, you can't do that here. It makes no sense to do that.