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That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Do we actually offload the whole of reina's wages?
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Anybody saying it is to save money, is wrong. Mignolet cost £10m and is on £2.5-3m a year on a 5 year-deal. Reina is on a 3-year deal and we're only saving £5m this year on his wages... so that doesn't add up.
Anybody saying it is to sell all our best players, is basing it on the fact that 1. every manager has failed to give Reina real competition in goal, therefore he will always have been first choice so long as we don't always expect more and 2. Suarez is being linked away, yet we have resisted all enquiries. As things stand he is staying. There is no record of Liverpool selling big-name players under BR. We have sold Carroll, Adam, Cole, Doni and Shelvey, none of which we would contemplate being first choice in any regard right now. Carra has retired and been replaced short-term. Wilson and Gulcasi have left, who barely impressed any manager to date. Where is the proof that under FSG we are going to sell every good player. There isn't at all since the committee came in. It does make sense to sell the aging players in your squad. United do this all the time, as have Chelsea and Arsenal over the last 10 years. It is personal attachment to players and nothing more than hatred for FSG in my eyes.
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The Aussies aren't very good at sport though,just look at the cricket.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Anybody saying it is to save money, is wrong. Mignolet cost £10m and is on £2.5-3m a year on a 5 year-deal. Reina is on a 3-year deal and we're only saving £5m this year on his wages... so that doesn't add up.
Anybody saying it is to sell all our best players, is basing it on the fact that 1. every manager has failed to give Reina real competition in goal, therefore he will always have been first choice so long as we don't always expect more and 2. Suarez is being linked away, yet we have resisted all enquiries. As things stand he is staying. There is no record of Liverpool selling big-name players under BR. We have sold Carroll, Adam, Cole, Doni and Shelvey, none of which we would contemplate being first choice in any regard right now. Carra has retired and been replaced short-term. Wilson and Gulcasi have left, who barely impressed any manager to date. Where is the proof that under FSG we are going to sell every good player. There isn't at all since the committee came in. It does make sense to sell the aging players in your squad. United do this all the time, as have Chelsea and Arsenal over the last 10 years. It is personal attachment to players and nothing more than hatred for FSG in my eyes. Looks like you are overlooking a few things to prove your point. First you are choosing to forget the fee that could be recouped by selling Reina, I would say FSG thought it would be easier to sell Reina, but, probably Reina is waiting for Braca to call. Why are you choosing to mention the record of selling players only under BR, it is FSG who sold Torres our then arguably one of the best players, Suarez was never bought to be his replacement, they were supposed to play together. Even if they haven't said they wanted to sell Suarez, our best player wants to go because he sees no ambition at FSG's LFC. I am dead sure he would be gone for a 50m bid.
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Reina hasn't been sold. And he is as likely to impress in Napoli as not. His value could reduce because of the loan deal. We may end up having to pay his last 2 years....
If I mention all of FSGs deals, they have a record of selling players over the age of 28, and those squad players that have not impressed. Suarez is neither. Reina is both! Torres is the only exception to the rule.
Itandje - 28, squad player and infamous for his doings at the Hillsbrough Memorial
Babel - squad player who unimpressed
Torres - was a first-teamer struggling for form. Given his subsequent form, selling wasn't the worst thing to do in retrospect, only the timing and replacement issue but the only exception to the rule
Konchesky - 30, squad player
Jovanovic - 30, squad player
El Zhar - squad player
Kyrgiakos - 32, squad player
Insua - squad player
Poulsen - 31 squad player
N'Gog - squad player
Degen - 28, squad player
Meireles - 28
Aurelio - 32, squad player
Kuyt - 31
Maxi - 31, squad player
Aquilani - 28, squad player
Bellamy - 33, squad player
Charlie Adam - squad player
Joe Cole - 31, squad player
Nuri Sahin - squad player
Doni - 33, squad player
Jamie Carragher - 35, retiring
Andy Carroll - squad player
Jonjo Shelvey - squad player
That is every player who played for the first-team that has left under FSG.
And what you say about Suarez's reasons are just speculation. In my eyes, he wants to play in the Champions League now, and not risk missing out on it in his career. It could be that he doesn't think FSG will take us there, but that is more speculative than reasoned.
And for the record, there is only one player who would improve us right now in my eyes. Torres as the lone striker with Suarez on the wing, Fernando replacing Downing. Meireles, Kuyt, Maxi are all not as good right now as they were before.
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Might just add that Napoli are only paying half his salary. So that is £2.5m to Reina, £2.5m we're paying, plus £10m for Mignolet, and £3m over 5 years. But lets take that over 3...
Keeping Reina would have cost £15m.
Replacing him with Mignolet has cost us £10, plus £9m over the next 3 years, plus £2.5 this season, and then potentially a sale. So that is £21.5m, with the hope we sell him next year. If he doesn't go, we could potentially have spent £27.5m, and if he does go, we might break even. There will be no transfer request, so we'll owe him money out of of the £10m we might get next year. So breaking even with what we could have done without the sale. Where is the money-saving?!
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Reina hasn't been sold. And he is as likely to impress in Napoli as not. His value could reduce because of the loan deal. We may end up having to pay his last 2 years....
If I mention all of FSGs deals, they have a record of selling players over the age of 28, and those squad players that have not impressed. Suarez is neither. Reina is both! Torres is the only exception to the rule.
Itandje - 28, squad player and infamous for his doings at the Hillsbrough Memorial
Babel - squad player who unimpressed
Torres - was a first-teamer struggling for form. Given his subsequent form, selling wasn't the worst thing to do in retrospect, only the timing and replacement issue but the only exception to the rule
Konchesky - 30, squad player
Jovanovic - 30, squad player
El Zhar - squad player
Kyrgiakos - 32, squad player
Insua - squad player
Poulsen - 31 squad player
N'Gog - squad player
Degen - 28, squad player
Meireles - 28
Aurelio - 32, squad player
Kuyt - 31
Maxi - 31, squad player
Aquilani - 28, squad player
Bellamy - 33, squad player
Charlie Adam - squad player
Joe Cole - 31, squad player
Nuri Sahin - squad player
Doni - 33, squad player
Jamie Carragher - 35, retiring
Andy Carroll - squad player
Jonjo Shelvey - squad player
That is every player who played for the first-team that has left under FSG.
And what you say about Suarez's reasons are just speculation. In my eyes, he wants to play in the Champions League now, and not risk missing out on it in his career. It could be that he doesn't think FSG will take us there, but that is more speculative than reasoned.
And for the record, there is only one player who would improve us right now in my eyes. Torres as the lone striker with Suarez on the wing, Fernando replacing Downing. Meireles, Kuyt, Maxi are all not as good right now as they were before. It was an exception to the rule because he was the only one top player that commanded a huge fee and who was willing to go (Gerrard had probably already made up his mind to retire at Lfc), the next one we have in the same situation is Suarez who sees no great future at LFC (rumours are that he is available for 55m). If we continue our path, I will not be surprised if Coutinho wants to leave at the end of next weason. One fact remains, under FSG we have finished 6th, 8th and 7th, that's not progress. Our odds to finish above 6th with our squad are not super great according to me (what do you think?), but, the window is not closed, FSG could surprise me.
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Might just add that Napoli are only paying half his salary. So that is £2.5m to Reina, £2.5m we're paying, plus £10m for Mignolet, and £3m over 5 years. But lets take that over 3...
Keeping Reina would have cost £15m.
Replacing him with Mignolet has cost us £10, plus £9m over the next 3 years, plus £2.5 this season, and then potentially a sale. So that is £21.5m, with the hope we sell him next year. If he doesn't go, we could potentially have spent £27.5m, and if he does go, we might break even. There will be no transfer request, so we'll owe him money out of of the £10m we might get next year. So breaking even with what we could have done without the sale. Where is the money-saving?! FSG [oops] up again (nothing new) as they thought that he would hand a transfer request when he was told by BR that he is not the definite number 1 anymore, but, he thought that he has a better chance of going to Barca next year. So now FSG needs to settle for saving some wages hoping for some fees next year. You said it yourself, some competition between Reina and Mignolet would have been the best for Lfc if they couldn't sell him. Going to watch the 2nd half now, almost 10 mins gone.
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I tried to make some concrete predictions before. I had us down for 6th with a chance of 4th, but need 2 more first-teamers to be realistic contenders.
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