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What is Suarez on? Wages I mean...anybody know? Gerrard's new contract? Whats he on?
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No Carhex, I’m not blaming you, and indeed I enjoyed the acerbic humour in your response. I don’t think it’s so much that top players won’t come to us, as that we won’t pay the going rate for them in fee’s or wages.
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I believe that Suarez is on more than 100k a week...that doesn't seem like cutting the wage billto me, or trimming costs. It seems like a logical move, paying players when they perform, and I am a HUGE fan of this new model employed by FSG. Incentive based contracts...If you wanna earn mega bucks, make sure you earn them on the field. Score, Assist, perform and you will be rewarded.
The days of huge wages for underperforming players cannot come to an end soon enough.
For ages, fans on here and around the UK have been calling for wage caps, the only way to level out the playing field...
I am a huge fan of incentive based contracts.
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I don't know Annefield, Aspas seems quality to me..regardless of price. Just like Coutinho....If we were going by price we would have to say Allen is better than Coutinho, which at the moment he clearly isn't. Yeah, you may well be right about Aspas, I haven’t seen him play, and I agree about Coutinho, he did look like a good find last transfer window, as did Sturridge. I suppose you can expect the odd nugget in a scattergun approach, but in general its wasteful and unlikely to produce the results we need, i.e 2 -3 top signings for a chance of 4th and 4 - 5 top signings to challenge for top honours. At this point I’d settle for 2 - 3 and a shot at that 4th spot. just can't see those top signings you mention coming in tho, FSG are trying to cut costs by trimming the wage bill and getting shut of the high earners, top players are going to want serious wonger to come to a Club outside the champions league. I don't know Annefield, Aspas seems quality to me..regardless of price. Just like Coutinho....If we were going by price we would have to say Allen is better than Coutinho, which at the moment he clearly isn't. Yeah, you may well be right about Aspas, I haven’t seen him play, and I agree about Coutinho, he did look like a good find last transfer window, as did Sturridge. I suppose you can expect the odd nugget in a scattergun approach, but in general its wasteful and unlikely to produce the results we need, i.e 2 -3 top signings for a chance of 4th and 4 - 5 top signings to challenge for top honours. At this point I’d settle for 2 - 3 and a shot at that 4th spot. just can't see those top signings you mention coming in tho, FSG are trying to cut costs by trimming the wage bill and getting shut of the high earners, top players are going to want serious wonger to come to a Club outside the champions league. I agree Mick, but I actually agree with cutting costs, controlling the wage bill and all round good management, so long as it doesn’t leave you without the quality and squad needed to get into and remain in at least top 4. I see our current approach as a false economy and risking a drop down the rankings. This is where I have my grudge with FSG they’re being penny wise and pound foolish, in so far as a few million extra investment now, would give a strong chance of a much greater return on investment by improving our prospect of top 4, and if your not up for the risk element in that, then you’re in the wrong game here, and you’ll be very unlikely to succeed.
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But are they being penny wise and pound foolish? I mean, they have key players, who are performing on big wages, they have shown they are willing to spend for the right players.
Unfortunately, they also showed they were wiling to spend on the wrong players too, like Carroll and Downing and before you say it, let me say it, Borini. I dont think Borini was actually a bad buy, or that he is a bad player, but he was overpriced IMO.
However, in my eyes, FSG have shown a willingness to spend if they think the player fits.
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What is Suarez on? Wages I mean...anybody know? Gerrard's new contract? Whats he on? Gerrard is on about 140k and Suarez 130k after signing his new contract last season, Carragher is gone 100k, Reina will be gone about 80k and Andy Carroll about 60k or 70k gone too. I don't think Gerrard will be getting 140k a week with this new 2 year deal think it will be cut a bit. I wouldn't be suprised to see Downing leave and his big wages cut and don't rule out Glen Johnson being sold to save on his big wages especialy with Martin Kelly in the wings ready to replace him on a fraction of what he gets.
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The way I see it, Toure played at Arsenal for quite a while. Arsenal played a short passing game simillar to what we are trying to employ at the moment, and there is no better fit for us than him at this moment. He knows the game, he knows the style, he has the experience, he has the leadership capabilities, he has the respect and most of all, he still has the skills.
I think he is a great piece of business, perhaps our best signing so far this window, better than Aspas as a signing in my opinion. Not sure Aspas would like that Prolific, Toure couldn't keep his place in the City team, so can’t be as great as you make him out to be, also I didn’t notice a long list of suiters for his signature when we went for him. The truth is we wouldn’t have looked twice at him if he wasn’t for free. Toure struggled for a place in a team that won the premier league though. We're not at that level so his ability might be a better fit for us. Well if we keep thinking and signing players on that basis, we’re never likely to be at that level though Carheex, this has been my point about our approach to signings under our current policy, i.e. we only went for Toure because he was going for nothing, and our other signings because they were cheap. In this window, of all windows, we should be focusing on quality rather than price. If we continue on this basis, we’ll never get a team together that can challenge for the league, or even for 4th. That's not really fair. Sturridge couldn't get a place at Chelsea, but he was a cracking signing. There's such a dirth of talent in both squads, they don't know what to do with half their players. City also has the best defense in the prem.
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