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Higuain's strike rate is unquestionable, but his work rate is.
When the team is struggling he isn't a player who fights.
I think he would think we are beneath him, but if he maintained his strike rate then it wouldn't matter. Fowler generally only played for 5 minutes in 90, and if he scored that was his job.
He obviously didn't want to head to Arsenal and the only thing that would bring him to us would be $$$. So in regards to that I'll waste no more time thinking about it.
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Higuain's strike rate is unquestionable, but his work rate is.
When the team is struggling he isn't a player who fights.
I think he would think we are beneath him, but if he maintained his strike rate then it wouldn't matter. Fowler generally only played for 5 minutes in 90, and if he scored that was his job.
He obviously didn't want to head to Arsenal and the only thing that would bring him to us would be $$$. So in regards to that I'll waste no more time thinking about it. To leave Real to come to us or even Arsenal when you are not at the dawn of your career is a step backwards, no player would like that. Did he refuse Arsenal or Real wanted more money, I thought it was the latter.
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Mid-table - you mean Top 7 Club
No chance of CL - there is always a chance ( even if some over/under estimate it )
Liverpool vs most cities in the UK...
I am not saying Higuain will join. I think he is unrealistic because he expects to play in the Champions League now, not in a year/two years time, but at least stop under-estimating where the club is. We are still competing for European places. We are still in with a shout of the CL, even if all you pessimists out there have written us off before the PL has even kicked off, or the transfer window closed, and Liverpool has been a city heavily invested in the last 10 years. We are an ambitious club outside of the CL, always striving for better than we have. To gifted players not getting a chance at big clubs, we are an attractive option. for me top 7 is mid table is from about 6th place down to about 12th or 13th. I say no chance of champions league because for me we are no longer a big enough Club to achieve that with the infilstructure which surrounds the club compared to the big four who occupy the champions league places, if the landscape of football changes then things may change but as yet we have zero chance ever. When we talk about my home City then yes I would most definitely see it in the third tier of British Cities in order of importance, you have London at the top followed by the next two which is Birmingham the second city and the capital of the North which is Manchester, then we have the third tier cities the likes of Liverpool, Bristol and Leeds. I just think aswell as off the field foreign footballers do look at Cities and where they will live if they sign for Clubs which gives Clubs from London a huge advantage.
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I don't think it is as definitive as that to be honest. I don't think you can say "top five" unless there is a clear difference between the teams below them. We were closer to 5th than 8th. We were very close to 6th place; by a couple of points. And that was all in spite of a shaky start under Rodgers that settled to bring better results. By definition, we are much closer to Arsenal and Spurs than Swansea and West Brom.
I think "zero chance ever" is just fickle. I am sure "zero chance ever" is what was being said about our Champions League run in 2004/5, or Liverpool against West Ham in the FA Cup final after 88 minutes... To think there is no chance proves you don't understand that there is always a chance. There is a chance that Crystal Palace under Holloway could do what Blackpool did under him for half a season, over an entire season, meaning they'd compete for Europe. It is not very likely, but there is still a chance. It is a bit short-sighted in my eyes to think there is no chance. It is not being realistic. You're just doing it to make a statement for yourself, rather than looking at it objectively imo. We have many weeks of potential transfers left. We have not seen much investment from Spurs and Arsenal. I don't see how calling us mid-table is justifiable at all to be honest; and nobody on here, so far, has convinced me otherwise.
As for your statement about the City, I think Capital of Culture speaks volumes. I think the plans for the expansions of our sporting facilities shows big progression, and the investment near the city centre is very high. To say it sits in a third-tier, to me, is a little harsh. You may be right here. I honestly don't visit Liverpool very often. When I think of UK Cities, I look at them very differently it seems.
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I don't think it is as definitive as that to be honest. I don't think you can say "top five" unless there is a clear difference between the teams below them. We were closer to 5th than 8th. We were very close to 6th place; by a couple of points. And that was all in spite of a shaky start under Rodgers that settled to bring better results. By definition, we are much closer to Arsenal and Spurs than Swansea and West Brom.
I think "zero chance ever" is just fickle. I am sure "zero chance ever" is what was being said about our Champions League run in 2004/5, or Liverpool against West Ham in the FA Cup final after 88 minutes... To think there is no chance proves you don't understand that there is always a chance. There is a chance that Crystal Palace under Holloway could do what Blackpool did under him for half a season, over an entire season, meaning they'd compete for Europe. It is not very likely, but there is still a chance. It is a bit short-sighted in my eyes to think there is no chance. It is not being realistic. You're just doing it to make a statement for yourself, rather than looking at it objectively imo. We have many weeks of potential transfers left. We have not seen much investment from Spurs and Arsenal. I don't see how calling us mid-table is justifiable at all to be honest; and nobody on here, so far, has convinced me otherwise.
As for your statement about the City, I think Capital of Culture speaks volumes. I think the plans for the expansions of our sporting facilities shows big progression, and the investment near the city centre is very high. To say it sits in a third-tier, to me, is a little harsh. You may be right here. I honestly don't visit Liverpool very often. When I think of UK Cities, I look at them very differently it seems. yes we do see things differently, I honestly think we are nearer to the Six Clubs below us rather than the top Five above us, when you say there is a chance I agree to a certain extent in that Crystal Palace can also win the Premier League because its not impossible. When we talk about Cities and importance believe it or not there is a global city index on Wikipedia which highlights Cities importance rankings, it's worth checking out, Liverpool has had major money and awards bestowed on it yes but if you look they are still behind your. Birmingham and Manchester in order of importance, check it out if you don't believe me.
Last edited by Mick Eire; 14/07/13 10:19 AM.
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Not a fair comment about Liverpool the city it's the fastest growing city in Europe population and economy albeit from a low base. But the city is going places.
Look at the culture the architecture and the seafront and nearby places like Chester and the Wirral.
It's a very nice place to live so I don't think the city is the reason more the lack of ambition at LFC
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Not a fair comment about Liverpool the city it's the fastest growing city in Europe population and economy albeit from a low base. But the city is going places.
Look at the culture the architecture and the seafront and nearby places like Chester and the Wirral.
It's a very nice place to live so I don't think the city is the reason more the lack of ambition at LFC stanley nobody is questioning how the city has improved, I live there so I know, what I am saying is as we speak we are in the third tier of Cities and behind the likes of London.Birmingham and Manchester, the wikipedia will back that up if you type in alpha cities. I think Liverpool, is the greatest city in the world myself like but in the real world it is'nt even close and this is the way foreign players will see it because all they will know is what they read and hear, if you were going to sign for a Club in Argentina you would almost certainly want to sign for a Buenos Aries Club, Brazil a Club from Rio or Mexico one from Mexico City, its just the way it works.
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We are behind manchester and Birmingham economically but I don't think that influences players. We live in the same commuter belt as manchester anyway so there is nothing to stop them living in manchester or the Cheshire belt should they so wish. Graeme souness lived in knutsford when manager and so did crouch
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I think it might be tough for us to convince him, especially if he turned down arsenal already, but never say never......
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That city index isn't accurate. At on point it says that my city (Auckland) is behind places like Sydney, London and Stockholm for quality of life when there are more surveys saying that Auckland is far better for quality of life.
Old Wiki, gotta love it.
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