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Exactly - Souness tried that old-school hardline approach and failed miserably in the modern game. Fergie learned to adapt his somewhat and be successful - which is what Shanks and Bob would have had to do. how did Souness fail with old school tactics. With all due respect I think it was Souness who dragged the Club kicking and screaming into the modern game, he was the first to take them training to Austria, first to stop the drinking culture within the Club after games, changed all the Menues at Melwood, moved the whole training regime to Melwood and came down on the players heavily when they stepped out of line. Souness brought all these new ideas and methods back from his time in Italy who are miles ahead of us in those types of things, to say Souness was behind the times is completely wrong, in fact he laid the foundations of the way we do things for every manager after him.
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As with all walks of life, it's not the strongest who survive - it's those who are most susceptible to 'change'. Dalglish did some good things at Liverpool & Blackburn. But when he came back into management after a lengthy absence he found things were quite different and failed miserably. Therefore, a good manager only stays as a good manager if he adapts. Well you know my opinion he was not much good in the late eighties and before anyone reals off lists of trophies Liverpool back then were one of the top teams in Europe possibly the world and that was the start of our decline. A decline which incidental still seems on the go.
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Mick Eire I agree with you. Whist no one can call sounesses reign as successful he did lot of good work that was never credited and Evans and houllier reaped those in later years.
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Exactly - Souness tried that old-school hardline approach and failed miserably in the modern game. Fergie learned to adapt his somewhat and be successful - which is what Shanks and Bob would have had to do. how did Souness fail with old school tactics. With all due respect I think it was Souness who dragged the Club kicking and screaming into the modern game, he was the first to take them training to Austria, first to stop the drinking culture within the Club after games, changed all the Menues at Melwood, moved the whole training regime to Melwood and came down on the players heavily when they stepped out of line. Souness brought all these new ideas and methods back from his time in Italy who are miles ahead of us in those types of things, to say Souness was behind the times is completely wrong, in fact he laid the foundations of the way we do things for every manager after him. Sure, this is why he was sacked for winning what, a Cup in 5 years who still had great players like Barnes, Rushie, Beardsley and young talents like Fowler and Ms Manaman coming to the team+we still had the reputation and money to attract the best.
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Vish no one is saying souness was. Success but he did a lot of good wrk which is never credited. Plus he inherited a very ageing team
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The other thing was utd were outstripping us money wise then I recall souness wanted Roy keane but did not have the funds to bid. That cost us dear and events might have turned out differently.
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Vish no one is saying souness was. Success but he did a lot of good wrk which is never credited. Plus he inherited a very ageing team Sourness brought through red knapp,mcmanaman,fowler, Hutchinson, James, Thompson, Matteo, rob jones, . Would be the base of a cracking side now
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Rob jones what a player he was he made his debut at old Trafford and giggs never got a sniff months later he was in the full England team as.a first teamer. Souness got him from Crewe (i think)for peanuts.
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Vish no one is saying souness was. Success but he did a lot of good wrk which is never credited. Plus he inherited a very ageing team Souness inherited the hardest job since Shanks took over, Dalglish's incompetence in letting the team all grow old together was the start of the Club's demise which we have still suffered to this day, Fergie never knocked us off our perch King Ken did it all himself.
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Rob jones what a player he was he made his debut at old Trafford and giggs never got a sniff months later he was in the full England team as.a first teamer. Souness got him from Crewe (i think)for peanuts. rob jones your right what a player he was cruelly his career was cut short by injury one of the truly best buys ever .
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