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I don't see the "selling" tag either to be honest - yet.
I think (hope) the plan is to buy players with proper potential and develop them before they cost the earth.
Buying bench warmers from other clubs makes perfect sense to me, the other club has seen enough of a player to have signed them - it's just a matter of them not playing due to clubs having too much talent on the books.
Sturridge got bumped from City when the money came in (same summer anyway) and Chelsea had Drogba, and a player they paid through the arrrrse for and were determined he would come good. Players in Sturridge's position, Coutinho's too, are the exact type of player we should be looking at.
You can say what you want about not buying experienced players, but as the seasons go on, the players find their place in the team and gain their experience!
Coutinho and Sturridge are bedded in now, so too is Hendo, Enrique, Agger, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas ect. ect. ect... to add another couple of young players wouldn't hold us back in the slightest - better still, they may not be older, more experienced, stuck in their ways and difficult to mold to our style of play..
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You are right cp1972 but the difference was then our timing was spot on and invariably we made on the deals but not always Alun Evans springs to mind. But for the last 20 years we seem to have got in wrong buy high sell low seems to be the maxim look at the potential loss on Carroll but there are many examples.
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I was wondering about that? How are we deemed a selling club, by our own fans, when since FSG came in, we haven't sold one key player, bar Torres, who wanted to leave and let's admit it, for 50mil, few would have said no. Simple really. IF our plan is to only buy young players that will have a higher resell value then that suggests our strategy is one that is more orientated towards profit than success. If we weren't aiming to be a selling club then why the emphasis on future profit? We should be aiming to keep our better players, not increase their value and sell them on. When signing a player, the only consideration should be whether he is the best we can get - why are we planning/contemplating his exit before he's even arrived.....unless we ARE a selling club? And where exactly did you get the information that the emphasis was on future profit? or are you making an assumption? Perhaps the emphasis on buying young is more so because they will be able to deliver in the future as well and we will have more stability. I never heard Ayre, Henry or Werner mention resale value. Yes we know for a fact some players will go, but thats normal, but perhaps we are buying young because we want to put a team together that will be able to compete as a unit for a long long time...
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I was wondering about that? How are we deemed a selling club, by our own fans, when since FSG came in, we haven't sold one key player, bar Torres, who wanted to leave and let's admit it, for 50mil, few would have said no. Simple really. IF our plan is to only buy young players that will have a higher resell value then that suggests our strategy is one that is more orientated towards profit than success. If we weren't aiming to be a selling club then why the emphasis on future profit? We should be aiming to keep our better players, not increase their value and sell them on. When signing a player, the only consideration should be whether he is the best we can get - why are we planning/contemplating his exit before he's even arrived.....unless we ARE a selling club? And where exactly did you get the information that the emphasis was on future profit? or are you making an assumption? Perhaps the emphasis on buying young is more so because they will be able to deliver in the future as well and we will have more stability. I never heard Ayre, Henry or Werner mention resale value. Yes we know for a fact some players will go, but thats normal, but perhaps we are buying young because we want to put a team together that will be able to compete as a unit for a long long time... But don't you think that as soon as a young player becomes a star and is wanted by a big club (Real Madrid, Barca, Chelsea etc) who can pay him more and can get him trophies quickly, he will go? This is what happened to Fabregas, C.Ronaldo, Van Persie, even Nasri, Clichy, Torres, Mascherano, Alonso closer to us. Do you think Coutinho will stay if Barca came knocking say next year while we are still building the team of the future? What do you think?
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I like to think Coutinominator is closer to the reality.
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What about Carragher, Gerrard, Giggs, Messi etc... Messi was at barcelona before the became the dominant force in football, and he stayed, Carra and Stevie knew they would probably never win the PL with us but they stayed... Some will stay and some will go...and who's to say we wont be challenging for trophies? is there an age limit for winning trophies? Do the players have to be over 28 or something?
No, there isn't. We can challenge for a trophy with a young squad just the same as we can with an older one. Age makes no difference if the player is good enough. If we get 2-3 more like Coutinho and Sturridge, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for trophies...
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration.
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I was wondering about that? How are we deemed a selling club, by our own fans, when since FSG came in, we haven't sold one key player, bar Torres, who wanted to leave and let's admit it, for 50mil, few would have said no. Simple really. IF our plan is to only buy young players that will have a higher resell value then that suggests our strategy is one that is more orientated towards profit than success. If we weren't aiming to be a selling club then why the emphasis on future profit? We should be aiming to keep our better players, not increase their value and sell them on. When signing a player, the only consideration should be whether he is the best we can get - why are we planning/contemplating his exit before he's even arrived.....unless we ARE a selling club? And where exactly did you get the information that the emphasis was on future profit? or are you making an assumption? Perhaps the emphasis on buying young is more so because they will be able to deliver in the future as well and we will have more stability. I never heard Ayre, Henry or Werner mention resale value. Yes we know for a fact some players will go, but thats normal, but perhaps we are buying young because we want to put a team together that will be able to compete as a unit for a long long time... If you look at my last post, that is exactly what I am doing - making an assumption. I know no more (or less) than anyone else on here about our strategy but it has been widely discussed and accepted that we are trying to buy under 24s with a supposed resell value. Remember last summer's deadline day? the club's excuse for not buying Dempsey was because FSG only saw him as a quick-fix solution. In other words, FSG are the 'director of football' and didn't want to spend £7m on a player that would decrease in value, regardless of whether the manager wanted him to improve our team in the 'here & now'. To me, that says our aim is to become a selling club where the director's interests are of higher importance than the fans.
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Hey all,
Just wanted to take a quick look at te apparent change in our transfer strategy an whether it is a plausible and good idea.
Looking back 2,3 even 4 windows ago, we have had a tendency of going in for weak clubs or relegated clubs star players, for example, Joe Allen, Charlie Adam, reported interest in Ince, Clint Dempsey, Konchesky, Jovanovic etc.
Lately, or more accurately in the last window, we seem to have made a shift towards towards buying top clubs bench warmers and might I added with great success. Herein might lie a secret to another successful transfer window.
Firstly, players who aren't playing regularly are not priced as high as those who do and before anyone says " that's because they aren't as good", I ask you to take a look at how well young Coutinho and Danny have performed. If we take a look at the benches of some of the top clubs around Europe I believe there are some real bargain buys to be found. The likes of Paco Alcacer, Kolarov etc.
What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a coincidence or do you believe FSG and BR have intentionally made this switch in emphasis? Whatever it is, I like it and think it bodes well for our future.
Ok haven't read your entire post but just wanted to point out that Swansea and Joe Allen finished 11th so I disagree already on that point. Il continue to read it all now 
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True, however, a club with a vision of long term success will look at the players age as a 30 year old can deliver for a season or two whereas a 23 year old can deliver for the next 8-9 years...now chopping and changing a team doesn't contribute to stability and success so perhaps getting in a youthful backbone to our squad now could have us reApong the benefits for years to come.
Now dont misunderstand me, the quality of the player should come first and foremost, but there are a host of young, quality players, warming the bench worldwide, with Coutinho a prime example, Paul Pogba being another...a bench. Pogba has been fantastic at Juventus but was warming the bench at united.
Who can say they would rather have had Dempsey than Coutinho? There are a host of youngsters available for next to nothing.
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