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I think,depending how well we do in the transfer market and if Spuds lose Bale and have a bad one then we could possibly dream about 5th but realistically we are looking at 6th.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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I agree with above comments I don't want to keep going on about ticket prices but we are clearly an upper mid table club with a poor stadium and a mid ranking transfer budget but we are priced as if we were a title chasing champions league side.
That cannot go on much longer even the most deluded fan will eventually wise up. I understand there were protests at the Fulham game over our rip off club
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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actually, I think that chelsea and city can improve a lot. both teams have the players and resources do much better than they did this season.
If we do really well, we'll finish 6th. If we do 'ok, we'll finish 7th. if we do poorly, we'll finish 8th - that's how it's going to be for a few years. We're nowhere near the top teams and nowhere near the bottom teams. "Also rans" isn't very flattering but it fits us perfectly I'm afraid.
We're 30 points from the top and only 23 points from relegation. Relegation is more likely than winning the league at the moment. your post is bang on the money, at best top 6 and at worst probably 8th, we are now a firmly established run of the mill, bog standard mid table club who will never get champions league while at the same time never get relegated, unfortunately we have a manager who doesn't take the cups serious so we have absolutely nothing to play for or any excitement to look forward too. In all honesty, I'd prefer it we withdrew all first team players from the domestic cups and used them to assess our fringe players. It's been donkeys years since I found them interesting, and now that european football has become so vital they are even less important. Everyone knows that the big clubs play weakened teams in these non events so where is the glory in winning? we won the league cup in 2012 and even kenny admitted that the big teams don't take the cups seriously. There's nothing glorious about being the best team that could be bothered.
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actually, I think that chelsea and city can improve a lot. both teams have the players and resources do much better than they did this season.
If we do really well, we'll finish 6th. If we do 'ok, we'll finish 7th. if we do poorly, we'll finish 8th - that's how it's going to be for a few years. We're nowhere near the top teams and nowhere near the bottom teams. "Also rans" isn't very flattering but it fits us perfectly I'm afraid.
We're 30 points from the top and only 23 points from relegation. Relegation is more likely than winning the league at the moment. your post is bang on the money, at best top 6 and at worst probably 8th, we are now a firmly established run of the mill, bog standard mid table club who will never get champions league while at the same time never get relegated, unfortunately we have a manager who doesn't take the cups serious so we have absolutely nothing to play for or any excitement to look forward too. In all honesty, I'd prefer it we withdrew all first team players from the domestic cups and used them to assess our fringe players. It's been donkeys years since I found them interesting, and now that european football has become so vital they are even less important. Everyone knows that the big clubs play weakened teams in these non events so where is the glory in winning? we won the league cup in 2012 and even kenny admitted that the big teams don't take the cups seriously. There's nothing glorious about being the best team that could be bothered. alrite lets just say for instance they did what you said and withdrew from the cup competitions. What would the Club actualy be existing for because there is no hope whatsoever of Champions League, likewise no relegation either, we would effectively each season just be completing our fixtures each season, no glory of cups, no wembley days out, no exposure to attract future investment, fanbase would shrink faster than it is now and we would just be waiting for the dregs of our famous name to run out. I think F.A.Cups, League Cups and the odd Europa League success is a good return for a Club with our infilstructure, we no longer dine at the top table and people need to accept this and lose there expectations of grandua.
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LFC exists to make money, no other reason. Don't kid yourself that our owners care about whether the fans can boast about a cup - they only give a toss if it makes us a profit. Currently the league cup prize is £110k and the FA cup prize id £980k. Wow.
We are a reasonably high profile club and our media exposure would still generate sponsorship and advertising funding regardless of any domestic cups.
Perhaps the FA cup should be restructured so that the winner enters the CL in place of whoever comes 4th in the league?
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LFC exists to make money, no other reason. Don't kid yourself that our owners care about whether the fans can boast about a cup - they only give a toss if it makes us a profit. Currently the league cup prize is £110k and the FA cup prize id £980k. Wow.
We are a reasonably high profile club and our media exposure would still generate sponsorship and advertising funding regardless of any domestic cups.
Perhaps the FA cup should be restructured so that the winner enters the CL in place of whoever comes 4th in the league?
our name is fast running out with no league wins ever again and no hope of top four for the foreseeable future, if we withdrew from cups then what's the point in supporting a Club if all you are doing is paying in money just so it exists with no excitement or satisfaction of the odd cup final or cup game to look forward to. I speak for myself here, I pay my season ticket and I get no real enjoyment at all for going to league games when win, lose or draw it makes no difference position wise as there is no relegation and no champions league, we just go through the motions, the cup games or being drawn against one of the big boys are the only little bit of excitement we have in a season now, unfortunately we have a coward of a manager who thinks cup games are beneath us and fields weak teams in order to get bounced out as finishing 7th is his priority,
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The majority of football fans will never get to see their team lift a cup or win a league. We've been spoilt as fans but think about those who support less successful clubs. Why do they go to see their team week in-week out? Football is one sport, spectator wise at least, where it is the taking part that counts.
When we won the carling cup last year I felt less joy than craig bellamy! It didn't make up for a miserable season in any way, shape or form. If anything it ruined our season as we capitulated after the final.
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We're currently eleven points behind Spurs in fourth place, if we improved just enough to win 4 of the 22 games we've failed to win this season, we'd finish fourth. All this talk of us never being able to break into the top four is absolute nonsense! 2004-05, 2002-03, 1998-99, 1993-94, 1992-93, 1991-92 - all seasons in which we failed to finish in the top four but later went on to break back into the top four. Look at Spurs for example, haven't they recently managed to break into the top four and haven't Everton come close this season?
You're right that Liverpool exists to make money but steady investment/improvement with minimum expenditure (as we saw in January) is how FSG intend to maximize profits by breaking into the top four. It might not happen next season, it might not happen the season after but we're moving in the right direction and it's in FSG's interest to allow that to continue.
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We're currently eleven points behind Spurs in fourth place, if we improved just enough to win 4 of the 22 games we've failed to win this season, we'd finish fourth. All this talk of us never being able to break into the top four is absolute nonsense! 2004-05, 2002-03, 1998-99, 1993-94, 1992-93, 1991-92 - all seasons in which we failed to finish in the top four but later went on to break back into the top four. Look at Spurs for example, haven't they recently managed to break into the top four and haven't Everton come close this season?
You're right that Liverpool exists to make money but steady investment/improvement with minimum expenditure (as we saw in January) is how FSG intend to maximize profits by breaking into the top four. It might not happen next season, it might not happen the season after but we're moving in the right direction and it's in FSG's interest to allow that to continue. Exactly...."IF". If we won 4 more games then yes we'd be above spurs. But IF 'everyone' had won 4 more games then we'd be exactly where we are. If you're going to try and justify a point by making up results, then you must do the same for everyone.
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LFC exists to make money, no other reason. Don't kid yourself that our owners care about whether the fans can boast about a cup - they only give a toss if it makes us a profit. Currently the league cup prize is £110k and the FA cup prize id £980k. Wow.
We are a reasonably high profile club and our media exposure would still generate sponsorship and advertising funding regardless of any domestic cups.
Perhaps the FA cup should be restructured so that the winner enters the CL in place of whoever comes 4th in the league?
our name is fast running out with no league wins ever again and no hope of top four for the foreseeable future, if we withdrew from cups then what's the point in supporting a Club if all you are doing is paying in money just so it exists with no excitement or satisfaction of the odd cup final or cup game to look forward to. I speak for myself here, I pay my season ticket and I get no real enjoyment at all for going to league games when win, lose or draw it makes no difference position wise as there is no relegation and no champions league, we just go through the motions, the cup games or being drawn against one of the big boys are the only little bit of excitement we have in a season now, unfortunately we have a coward of a manager who thinks cup games are beneath us and fields weak teams in order to get bounced out as finishing 7th is his priority, It could be that last year's cup finals is something that will not be repeated for a long time as BR's focus is the league, you can thank KD for it, now that you are at it.
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