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sounds like he has made up his mind then if no appeal. he will be off. will we avoid relegation next season? perhaps BR thinks a season in the championship will do us some good - maybe thats the advice UTD gave us..what a club

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Originally Posted By: EMP
yes u are a fool. in any normal situation u do not ever ever sack a footballing legend for winning a trophy and getting us back into europe. for beating the best there is. After a year, its a sad embarrassment and the results are clear - we are now a joke.


Your point stands up if you ONLY pick out the good things to suit your agenda. Any intelligent person would base their opinion on what Kenny did over his 18 months with us and inlcude the good AND the bad.
Granted, our style of play was easier on the eye than under Hodgson and we won a few one off games against some top teams. And yes, we defeated Wales's 2nd best club on penalties to win the £100k prize in the carling cup. But the cons of kenny's reign far outweigh the pros - I don't even have time to begin listing them!

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no ur wrong..the cons would outweigh if kenny took over a top 4 team. but he didn;t he took over pure crap..got the right men in with clarke and was rebuilding. he couldn;t sign top 4 players so started rebuilding from scratch. some of his signings were crap no doubt. still not crap enough to sack him as it was an evolution. carroll , hendo and downing all improved this year. we were a better team last year and with a trophy behind us and back in europe the prospects were positive rather than negative. u are negative

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You seem to be baseing your defence of kenny on what he 'might have achieved' though. In that case, we should have kept hodgson, 'just in case' he won us the champions league. Or maybe we should have kept Souness? He's a legend, and according to you clubs should 'never ever' get rid of legends. Maybe we could bring sammy lee back in to the fold as well?

Carroll, henderson and downing have indeed all improved.....they are now worth about £10m combined instead of the £75m that kenny spunked on them. Not good enough by far. Besides, if BR got them to improve then credit must go to him (and allardyce), not Kenny!?

Kenny's second reign was a joke from beginning to end. You talk about Suarez embarassing us but kenny also let the club down based on his spending, team performance, results against poor teams and his car-crash interviews.

I'm not a big BR fan (to say the least) but he's proved to be much better than Kenny (unless you ignore the facts!).

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We're all hurting at the moment but I think It's about time we got off Kennys back and look forward. You can't blame the demise of this once great club on his one full season in charge just as you can't blame it all on the owners.

Let's be a bit more positive and get behind the team (even if it's mediocre) and the manager. Footballing success is as much about confidence as anything else so with a decent start next season things might start to turn. Suarez might not even be here but that should be enough motivation for the players that remain to up their game. Back in the day we won as a team with, let's face it, not always brilliant players. As City have shown this season, it's not all about how many superstars you have but how many perform at their best week in week out.

This is not a vintage Utd side but they walked to the title by playing as a team and being consistent.Teamwork and consistency is what we were known for at our peak so maybe it's time to get back to basics.

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well BR is much better than kenny according to the facts..haha

what facts are they..our wonderful 3-2 win over spurs ,were they spanked us too.

our the fact that kenny won something ,qualified for europe and got to another final. beat city,chelsea,utd.

Br has done so much better though. 1 place higher,nowhere in any cups and have beat 1 decent team and luckily . what a manager he is.

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Originally Posted By: Carheex
You seem to be baseing your defence of kenny on what he 'might have achieved' though. In that case, we should have kept hodgson, 'just in case' he won us the champions league. Or maybe we should have kept Souness? He's a legend, and according to you clubs should 'never ever' get rid of legends. Maybe we could bring sammy lee back in to the fold as well?

Carroll, henderson and downing have indeed all improved.....they are now worth about £10m combined instead of the £75m that kenny spunked on them. Not good enough by far. Besides, if BR got them to improve then credit must go to him (and allardyce), not Kenny!?

Kenny's second reign was a joke from beginning to end. You talk about Suarez embarassing us but kenny also let the club down based on his spending, team performance, results against poor teams and his car-crash interviews.

I'm not a big BR fan (to say the least) but he's proved to be much better than Kenny (unless you ignore the facts!).


KD in his second spell and his first half of the season (the season he took over from RH), finished with the 3rd highest points tally in the league behind United and City, at the end of his 2nd half of the season we were still in the fight of a champions league position and still in the cups, 3rd half of his season, went to 2 cup finals winning one, beating the best teams of the league on the way. He had though one abysmal 3rd half of the season IN THE LEAGUE ONLY. What has BR done better?

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Originally Posted By: Carheex
You seem to be baseing your defence of kenny on what he 'might have achieved' though. In that case, we should have kept hodgson, 'just in case' he won us the champions league. Or maybe we should have kept Souness? He's a legend, and according to you clubs should 'never ever' get rid of legends. Maybe we could bring sammy lee back in to the fold as well?

Carroll, henderson and downing have indeed all improved.....they are now worth about £10m combined instead of the £75m that kenny spunked on them. Not good enough by far. Besides, if BR got them to improve then credit must go to him (and allardyce), not Kenny!?

Kenny's second reign was a joke from beginning to end. You talk about Suarez embarassing us but kenny also let the club down based on his spending, team performance, results against poor teams and his car-crash interviews.

I'm not a big BR fan (to say the least) but he's proved to be much better than Kenny (unless you ignore the facts!).


KD in his second spell and his first half of the season (the season he took over from RH), finished with the 3rd highest points tally in the league behind United and City, at the end of his 2nd half of the season we were still in the fight of a champions league position and still in the cups, 3rd half of his season, went to 2 cup finals winning one, beating the best teams of the league on the way. He had though one abysmal 3rd half of the season IN THE LEAGUE ONLY. What has BR done better?


Great...but you can't just cherry pick the results and/or timeframe to suit your argument.

Kenny did EXACTLY what he did at newcastle...took over a team and got and improved them for half a season. And when it came to spending money and bringing in his own players it all went backwards.

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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Originally Posted By: Carheex
You seem to be baseing your defence of kenny on what he 'might have achieved' though. In that case, we should have kept hodgson, 'just in case' he won us the champions league. Or maybe we should have kept Souness? He's a legend, and according to you clubs should 'never ever' get rid of legends. Maybe we could bring sammy lee back in to the fold as well?

Carroll, henderson and downing have indeed all improved.....they are now worth about £10m combined instead of the £75m that kenny spunked on them. Not good enough by far. Besides, if BR got them to improve then credit must go to him (and allardyce), not Kenny!?

Kenny's second reign was a joke from beginning to end. You talk about Suarez embarassing us but kenny also let the club down based on his spending, team performance, results against poor teams and his car-crash interviews.

I'm not a big BR fan (to say the least) but he's proved to be much better than Kenny (unless you ignore the facts!).


KD in his second spell and his first half of the season (the season he took over from RH), finished with the 3rd highest points tally in the league behind United and City, at the end of his 2nd half of the season we were still in the fight of a champions league position and still in the cups, 3rd half of his season, went to 2 cup finals winning one, beating the best teams of the league on the way. He had though one abysmal 3rd half of the season IN THE LEAGUE ONLY. What has BR done better?


We've lost less games, scored more goals and accrued more points. He has also got some decent performances out of kenny's sh!t overpirced signings and more than doubled Suarezs league goals. Apart from that though, not much.

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Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
Originally Posted By: Carheex
You seem to be baseing your defence of kenny on what he 'might have achieved' though. In that case, we should have kept hodgson, 'just in case' he won us the champions league. Or maybe we should have kept Souness? He's a legend, and according to you clubs should 'never ever' get rid of legends. Maybe we could bring sammy lee back in to the fold as well?

Carroll, henderson and downing have indeed all improved.....they are now worth about £10m combined instead of the £75m that kenny spunked on them. Not good enough by far. Besides, if BR got them to improve then credit must go to him (and allardyce), not Kenny!?

Kenny's second reign was a joke from beginning to end. You talk about Suarez embarassing us but kenny also let the club down based on his spending, team performance, results against poor teams and his car-crash interviews.

I'm not a big BR fan (to say the least) but he's proved to be much better than Kenny (unless you ignore the facts!).


KD in his second spell and his first half of the season (the season he took over from RH), finished with the 3rd highest points tally in the league behind United and City, at the end of his 2nd half of the season we were still in the fight of a champions league position and still in the cups, 3rd half of his season, went to 2 cup finals winning one, beating the best teams of the league on the way. He had though one abysmal 3rd half of the season IN THE LEAGUE ONLY. What has BR done better?


We've lost less games, scored more goals and accrued more points. He has also got some decent performances out of kenny's sh!t overpirced signings and more than doubled Suarezs league goals. Apart from that though, not much.


All what you have said in fact moved us one position higher in the league. Didn't you agree in a thread some months back that progress is measured not in terms of points, but, position? BR also conceded more, out of all competitions in late Feb early March, out of champions league fighting position in October latest.

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