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Think of all the money kenny has saved us champions league tickets £45 a throw now.
All that success would have gone to our heads
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Club is not destroyed Stan, i dont think Kenny "destroyed our club", as a player he was one of our greatest ever and he was a decent manager at first in the 80's and incidentally at first in the late 00's, but both reigns ended badly the first the club was over taken in a click of fingers by Utd, the second he set the club back another 2 or 3 years by spending so much money (whether its net profit from Torres deal or not is irrelevant as he still spent that amount) on terribly signings, and if not terrible signings then terrible money, its like a joke to say the least, 70 million on Carrol, Downing and Henderson? Madness, not slating either player either but the price paid out was a joke and from what i've seen since from Comolli i think it was Kenny who gave the go ahead and not Damian even though he gets the blame, he also said himself that he wanted Mata and Kenny wanted the british proven prem player Downing for the same price, again, madness. For the Caroll deal I am sure as I heard it from Comolli's mouth himself in an interview of french TV Canal plus. He said KD wanted to play 442 and had to find a partner for Suarez as the owners said, TORRES HAD TO GO. He defended the price tag saying that we made a good deal by spending close to nothing by buying Suarez and Caroll and selling Torres and Babbel. Yes KD chose Caroll but the price was decided by Comolli with consultation with the owners. Cannot put the blame on KD for the price, this is why there was a director of football. THIS IS FACT unless Comolli wanted to cover KD, which I doubt.
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That argument does not wash. It was still a shocking waste of £35m however you dress it up.
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lol its net spend for rafa but overall spend for kenny by the way Rafa had a gross spend of 246mil. over the 6 years that amounts to 41mil. Kenny in 1.5 seasons spent 115. I'm sure you're smart enough to work out his average seasonal spend You should always look at net spend not gross, else we might sell our whole team, say for a 100m and then give 75m to the manager to replace everybody and say he had the highest budget ever in one transfer window. Does that make any sense to you? Why should it only be net? Net spend is a good indicator of what the owners put in. If a manager happens to have a low net spend whilst improving the team, that is a major bonus a la Wenger in the early 2000's but managers are judged generally on their signings inwards and not out Has there ever been a case where a team sold all their players? If not, is that just a hypotetical argument made up to try and defend Kenny? As it stands with Kenny, he was a net spender anyway and brought in more first team players than he sold. The simple fact that you are deciding to overlook is that Kenny spent 115 million on players, many of whom let him down.
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That argument does not wash. It was still a shocking waste of £35m however you dress it up. Agreed. Kenny would have been aware of some kind of budget available for players for that season. At the very least he would have been consulted, ie: "kenny, we can get carrol but's going to cost £35m - if you think he's worth it we'll make the deal happen". Under no circumstances would kenny have NOT been aware of the fee as he would have earmarked other players that he wanted to bring in, and would need to know if this deal put an end to other deals. The buck stops with kenny - he said this himself.
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Did kenny not make some statement Carroll we paid -£15m ?
Even Carroll is a good buy at that price or maybe not.
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That argument does not wash. It was still a shocking waste of £35m however you dress it up. When did I say it was not a waste, I just mentioned what Comolli said what his logic was.
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That argument does not wash. It was still a shocking waste of £35m however you dress it up. Agreed. Kenny would have been aware of some kind of budget available for players for that season. At the very least he would have been consulted, ie: "kenny, we can get carrol but's going to cost £35m - if you think he's worth it we'll make the deal happen". Under no circumstances would kenny have NOT been aware of the fee as he would have earmarked other players that he wanted to bring in, and would need to know if this deal put an end to other deals. The buck stops with kenny - he said this himself. He was surely aware, however, when Torres was leaving KD said that he wanted a target man in a 442 formation such as Caroll (wasn't Llorente also a target but he was not interested). Now if the manager is to make a call on the price like Fergie and Wenger, what's the role of a Director of football, you tell me? In that interview I watched, Comolli was explaining the fee as if it was his decision, he only said that KD wanted a target man centre forward to play in a 442 formation with Suarez. I as just saying what I watched, now, you can think whatever you want.
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Did kenny not make some statement Carroll we paid -£15m ?
Even Carroll is a good buy at that price or maybe not. Kenny might have said that we paid -£15m. But we didn't. We paid £35m. No matter how creative people want to be in an attempt to hide Kenny's foolishness, the accounts show that we paid £35m. They also show that Newcastle received £35m. This talk of -£15m is ludicrous and is a futile effort at trying to save face.
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Indeed it is Carheex. As much as I was excited at the time to see Carroll and Suarez play together, it didn't work. KD was wrong to spend a huge amount of money on a risk that ultimately didn't pay off. And no matter how we'd all like to twist it. It was £35m, and huge wages. And this is why, even if we'd like to keep him for options, it would be best to alleviate the huge burdening costs off of the wage bill as soon as we can. Unless of course, he plays a lot better ahead of the new season, and proves he is worth the wages he has been paid excessively these last couple of years.
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