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We are really struggling now, 2 flashpoints I can see, would indicate that Kenny is to blame for all our woes.
1) His awful signings made when he was manager for the second time.
2) His decision to stand down, and the subsequent appointment of Souness as manager(Now don't get me wrong I understood his feelings at the time).
But Souness took us back years, and his second tenure as manager was hardly a success
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cant blame him for what souey did.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
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cant blame him for what souey did. Agree, and KD only had a net spend of 25m per season, so if anything, he did not put LFC into bankrupcy. In any case, BR is still playing 3 of his signings regularly, having sold one (Adam) without a huge loss and Caroll is on loan doing ok when fit at WH (better than Borini for sure).
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Simple answer is NO!
Can't blame just the manager. Many other factors and it was the people in charge of the club who didn't have the foresight of the likes of Manure and possibly even Arsenal with the ability of building a larger stadium and continued to live on past glories! The club just didn't move with the times and did not evolve and build on its success at the time.
We needed to build the club off the ground and capitalize on the success we were having on the pitch but they kept going on their merry way and failed to progress when the big dollars began to come into the world of the EPL.
Last edited by AussieRed; 23/04/13 02:31 AM.
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The simple answer is yes and no.
It's true the poor decisions on the commercial aspects including the stadium are the reason we are where we are. But kenny dalglish dd pay a large part in hs frost tenure effectively destroying the Liverpool model that was so scessfuk r rather nt sdapting it. I actually think souness is rather misrepresented by Liverpool fans he dd much f the grounding work on training fitness etc that was later exploited by houllier.
Kenny of course did it again with hs second spell our one chance with large transfer funds to push us back to champions league status was wasted with insane transfer dealings including the maddest transfer ever andy Carroll fr £35m.
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cant blame him for what souey did. Agree, and KD only had a net spend of 25m per season, so if anything, he did not put LFC into bankrupcy. In any case, BR is still playing 3 of his signings regularly, having sold one (Adam) without a huge loss and Caroll is on loan doing ok when fit at WH (better than Borini for sure). So who else can BR play? He wasn't given as much money that Dalglish wasted to get rid of all the crap he bought. He didn't sell Carroll because who else is stupid enough to pay double figures and the his wages? Net spend or not, Dalglish wasted nearly £100m on crap. That is in no small part why we're in the state we are.
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1991 is too long ago to blame him for. He suffered a lot at the time and is only human......
But he is to blame for ridiculous spending on average players. And that spending has set us back a few years. Absolutely no doubt about that.
During his second stint he could have held off signing Carroll until the summer and just seen how Suarez settled in to replace Torres.
But his knee jerk chase of Carroll who cost 20m too much has not helped FSG at all and if anything has given them reason/excuse to tighten things up.
And then the pursuit of players like Adam, Henderson and Downing was majorly flawed.
Kenny acted like a kid in a sweet shop who couldn't get what he initially wanted so had to buy the (so-called) next best thing.
He initially wanted Ash Young and Phil Jones. But spent more money on Henderson and Downing.
If we had gotten the first two we would have been in better stead........
But what really upsets me is that at the time, people like Hansen were saying stuff like 'Kenny is such a student of the current game'......'He watches all leagues and all players'.......'his European knowledge is amazing'.
There was no evidence of that. It looked to me that Kenny just enjoyed his Premier League football and didn't have the faintest idea of foreign players.
Now I'm not saying I'm a visionary but I can tell you I would never have spent that money on the average players that he did.
At the time, I had personally already noticed how good Falcao was playing/becoming in Portugal. We could easily have tried to sign him then with little resistance, particularly at the expense of 35m spent on Carroll!
He was only in the Europa League at the time, too. This is a player still to this day who hasn't played in the Champions League either, just like Cavani.
So for me, that's where it went wrong.... Player Recruitment and Money Spent.
Therefore, KK has set us back at least 2-3 years. Hopefully, BR can live up to his words of buying cheap but effective!
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Sure Kenny wanted to sign mediocre players, but I am sure he wasn't the one who had the final say in how much they cost; at least a portion of the blame can be put on Comoli and his 'blank cheque' tactics to capture people.
Besides, it we're talking signings a lot of Rodgers haven't been great and Hodgson didn't really sign good players. There have been a couple in there but mostly not great.
I think Kenny contributed but isn't completely responsible for how things are at the moment.
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David moores
Kenny dalglish
John Henry
Gillette and hicks
In that order
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1991 is too long ago to blame him for. He suffered a lot at the time and is only human......
But he is to blame for ridiculous spending on average players. And that spending has set us back a few years. Absolutely no doubt about that.
During his second stint he could have held off signing Carroll until the summer and just seen how Suarez settled in to replace Torres.
But his knee jerk chase of Carroll who cost 20m too much has not helped FSG at all and if anything has given them reason/excuse to tighten things up.
And then the pursuit of players like Adam, Henderson and Downing was majorly flawed.
Kenny acted like a kid in a sweet shop who couldn't get what he initially wanted so had to buy the (so-called) next best thing.
He initially wanted Ash Young and Phil Jones. But spent more money on Henderson and Downing.
If we had gotten the first two we would have been in better stead........
But what really upsets me is that at the time, people like Hansen were saying stuff like 'Kenny is such a student of the current game'......'He watches all leagues and all players'.......'his European knowledge is amazing'.
There was no evidence of that. It looked to me that Kenny just enjoyed his Premier League football and didn't have the faintest idea of foreign players.
Now I'm not saying I'm a visionary but I can tell you I would never have spent that money on the average players that he did.
At the time, I had personally already noticed how good Falcao was playing/becoming in Portugal. We could easily have tried to sign him then with little resistance, particularly at the expense of 35m spent on Carroll!
He was only in the Europa League at the time, too. This is a player still to this day who hasn't played in the Champions League either, just like Cavani.
So for me, that's where it went wrong.... Player Recruitment and Money Spent.
Therefore, KK has set us back at least 2-3 years. Hopefully, BR can live up to his words of buying cheap but effective!
YNWA not quite true. Liverpool had Jones signed up but Comolli moved too slow. Henderson - Sunderland planned for Henderson to go for max 8million. Comolli bid 12mil on day one. Kenny has a share of the blame certainly but thats recent history, the demise was secured 3years before we are exactly were we were back in 2006. Desperately needing investment and no new stadium, only thing is we have wasted 300million to effectively stand still and maybe a little backwards. If FSG had come in during summer 2007 then we would not be in the mess we were in. Champs league runners up, great manager, very good team also. We would certainly have challeneged the top2 since then.
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