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As I hit submit, I realised what you were trying to say. I get you now about inheriting things and so on.
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Liverpool under benitez were not even the best in England so how could Liverpool be the best in the world ? In 1984 Liverpool were the best in the world , and joe had just steered Liverpool to another league title, to be champions of European and beat the up and coming everton to the league cup , and to even strengthen my point dalglish won three league titles and two fa cups , as for mentioning Joe getting to the semi final well plenty of you put that down as a benitez plus point , as for meeting him I have nice enough fella bit that has nothing to do with what he did or didn't do at LFC . A truly great manager wins european trophies in different countries, or beats red hot favourites to winning the domestic league. Outspending your rivals is easy if you've got the support (city, chelsea, blackburn). And Inheriting the best team in the world and repeating what they did the year before doesn't overly impress me. There are only a handful of world class managers that have succeeded in different countries - Benitez is one of them. Don't think he suceeded at Inter though and I thought he would do better at Chelsea (at least better that the manager he replaced) but the season is not over yet. Is it because he stopped his partnership with Pako, we'll never know. In any case he is better than BR.
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rafa been found long time ago. one of these guys that was in the right time and the right place and had the right people beside him. once his own ego and methods took over everythig fell apart.
took a talented squad from cuper and organized them. landed him the liverpool job which had stevie ,hyppia ,hamann etc just waiting for greatness. never got to greatness tho cause he fell out with pako and started buying hundreds of dross foreigners and playing crap negative football. career since has been a reflection of his crapness
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The argument who was best really misses the point we did achieve hghs with Benitez whilst the 2005 side was substantively inherited from houllier (anther good manager) there is no doubt we reached highs with Benitez two champions league final a semi final FA cup winners and coming second in the title race. What would we give fr FA now ? Whether fagan was better s irrelevant
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The argument who was best really misses the point we did achieve hghs with Benitez whilst the 2005 side was substantively inherited from houllier (anther good manager) there is no doubt we reached highs with Benitez two champions league final a semi final FA cup winners and coming second in the title race. What would we give fr FA now ? Whether fagan was better s irrelevant but it is relevent hiow can joe fagan and dalglish's great honours just be dismissed as nothing , joe won the league and beat A.S.Roma on there own ground, and without souness got to another final in 85 , dalglish won THREE league championships and the clubs only double , and houllier won the first european trophy since heysel a treble of cups , uefa super cup ,charity shield took liverpool into the champions league and finished 2nd , yes benitez had some great success and also had some non success , bought some top players and bought some very very bad players , as for 2005 i see people talking about the bad players , what about hyypia, hamann, gerrard, finnan, carragher, and riise all in the prime
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No one is dismissing fagan,s achievements as nothing faz. I am sure you don't read posts before replying
Benitez did make mistakes but the highs were well ahead of the lows. And the three managers since have nt been up to much have they? Jury's still out on Rodgers of course but not set the world on fire so far.
I am not in favour of bringing back Benitez and sacking Rodgers right now lets not airbrush out what he did for us.
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No one is dismissing fagan,s achievements as nothing faz. I am sure you don't read posts before replying
Benitez did make mistakes but the highs were well ahead of the lows. And the three managers since have nt been up to much have they? Jury's still out on Rodgers of course but not set the world on fire so far.
I am not in favour of bringing back Benitez and sacking Rodgers right now lets not airbrush out what he did for us. i do read the posts and to say benitez is better than dalglish or joe is wrong very wrong and thats what this thread said benitez best since paisley fact , well not fact from from fact maybe the best since 1990 but i would say very little if anything between benitez and houllier.
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I would agree with that faz. Houllier did much to build Liverpool.
But the managers since Benitez have been poor
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I would agree with that faz. Houllier did much to build Liverpool.
But the managers since Benitez have been poor yes houulier did build the club up and benitez benefited from his work IE melwood and kirkby , but to say he is better than joe or dalglish is way off the mark way off .
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Others said that not me.
I am not a dalglish fan though
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