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Allen will go down as one of our worst ever, will join Andriy Voronin, Nabil El Zhar, Biscan, Diao, Ziege etc
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If you sell Reina and buy 2 goal keepers for his fee, the chance is that both will be of lower quality compared to him, That suggests there is no value in buying anyone for less than a value you place on your own player? Which is utterly ridiculous. It will always depend on how highly you rate what you have and how highly you rate other keepers. Schmeichel cost less than £1m, and worthier than his price-tag suggested. Reina was £10m or so right? And at his peak, he was worth far superior to that. I reckon if Barca want him enough, they'd pay near double that. I think there are keepers of equal quality and better consistency than Reina for 10-12m or so. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Liverpool fan ecstatic with his form right now. I still think he is a very gifted keeper. But we don't have the funds to supply him with a decent back-up, and I would say right now, mistakes are costing us, and he has made too many these last few years. and as you can play only 1 at a time, this doesn't make sense to me. Competition will not make an average player a world beater. Competition brings out the best in players. When you know you might only have a chance to impress, you lay it all on the line to take the opportunity. How do you think De Gea has responded to Lindegaard pushing to play first choice for United? A lot to do with the competition, which has brought out his qualities. You aren't just brilliant all the time because you have quality. You need pushing as much by your manager as by the people competing to play in your position. I know you love to question everything I say. But if you spent a bit more time thinking about someone else's opinion, rather than just slandering out of hand, you might learn to figure out the obvious for yourself.
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Liverpool Legend
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If you sell Reina and buy 2 goal keepers for his fee, the chance is that both will be of lower quality compared to him, That suggests there is no value in buying anyone for less than a value you place on your own player? Which is utterly ridiculous. It will always depend on how highly you rate what you have and how highly you rate other keepers. Schmeichel cost less than £1m, and worthier than his price-tag suggested. Reina was £10m or so right? And at his peak, he was worth far superior to that. I reckon if Barca want him enough, they'd pay near double that. I think there are keepers of equal quality and better consistency than Reina for 10-12m or so. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Liverpool fan ecstatic with his form right now. I still think he is a very gifted keeper. But we don't have the funds to supply him with a decent back-up, and I would say right now, mistakes are costing us, and he has made too many these last few years. and as you can play only 1 at a time, this doesn't make sense to me. Competition will not make an average player a world beater. Competition brings out the best in players. When you know you might only have a chance to impress, you lay it all on the line to take the opportunity. How do you think De Gea has responded to Lindegaard pushing to play first choice for United? A lot to do with the competition, which has brought out his qualities. You aren't just brilliant all the time because you have quality. You need pushing as much by your manager as by the people competing to play in your position. I know you love to question everything I say. But if you spent a bit more time thinking about someone else's opinion, rather than just slandering out of hand, you might learn to figure out the obvious for yourself. Well if you think that it makes sense to sell one good goal keeper to buy 2 average ones, what can I say? If it is so obvious, probably BR will do exactly that and we will see how it turns out to be.
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Under 23 Player
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If you sell Reina and buy 2 goal keepers for his fee, the chance is that both will be of lower quality compared to him, That suggests there is no value in buying anyone for less than a value you place on your own player? Which is utterly ridiculous. It will always depend on how highly you rate what you have and how highly you rate other keepers. Schmeichel cost less than £1m, and worthier than his price-tag suggested. Reina was £10m or so right? And at his peak, he was worth far superior to that. I reckon if Barca want him enough, they'd pay near double that. I think there are keepers of equal quality and better consistency than Reina for 10-12m or so. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Liverpool fan ecstatic with his form right now. I still think he is a very gifted keeper. But we don't have the funds to supply him with a decent back-up, and I would say right now, mistakes are costing us, and he has made too many these last few years. and as you can play only 1 at a time, this doesn't make sense to me. Competition will not make an average player a world beater. Competition brings out the best in players. When you know you might only have a chance to impress, you lay it all on the line to take the opportunity. How do you think De Gea has responded to Lindegaard pushing to play first choice for United? A lot to do with the competition, which has brought out his qualities. You aren't just brilliant all the time because you have quality. You need pushing as much by your manager as by the people competing to play in your position. I know you love to question everything I say. But if you spent a bit more time thinking about someone else's opinion, rather than just slandering out of hand, you might learn to figure out the obvious for yourself. Well if you think that it makes sense to sell one good goal keeper to buy 2 average ones, what can I say? If it is so obvious, probably BR will do exactly that and we will see how it turns out to be. Who says they'll be average. They'd be nearly £10m each. My lord. Not every top quality players costs the world you know!
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Liverpool Legend
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If you sell Reina and buy 2 goal keepers for his fee, the chance is that both will be of lower quality compared to him, That suggests there is no value in buying anyone for less than a value you place on your own player? Which is utterly ridiculous. It will always depend on how highly you rate whatever you have and how highly you rate other keepers. Schmeichel cost less than £1m, and worthier than his price-tag suggested. Reina was £10m or so right? And at his peak, he was worth far superior to that. I reckon if Barca want him enough, they'd pay near double that. I think there are keepers of equal quality and better consistency than Reina for 10-12m or so. You'd be hard-pressed to find a Liverpool fan ecstatic with his form right now. I still think he is a very gifted keeper. But we don't have the funds to supply him with a decent back-up, and I would say right now, mistakes are costing us, and he has made too many these last few years. and as you can play only 1 at a time, this doesn't make sense to me. Competition will not make an average player a world beater. Competition brings out the best in players. When you know you might only have a chance to impress, you lay it all on the line to take the opportunity. How do you think De Gea has responded to Lindegaard pushing to play first choice for United? A lot to do with the competition, which has brought out his qualities. You aren't just brilliant all the time because you have quality. You need pushing as much by your manager as by the people competing to play in your position. I know you love to question everything I say. But if you spent a bit more time thinking about someone else's opinion, rather than just slandering out of hand, you might learn to figure out the obvious for yourself. Well if you think that it makes sense to sell one good goal keeper to buy 2 average ones, what can I say? If it is so obvious, probably BR will do exactly that and we will see how it turns out to be. Who says they'll be average. They'd be nearly £10m each. My lord. Not every top quality players costs the world you know! Then why not buy one of them to give Reina some competition and he will get even better, the risk will be less, but, at 10m spend more ok, but, if Peter S cost 1m, we can get a good promising goal keeper for less than 10. Never seen a team buying 2 goalkeepers for about the same price at the same time, you always buy a number one or a number two to give your number one keeper some competition
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Because our priority, right now, is not to spend the 20m or so BR will have to spend on buying a competitor in goal. The priority is our defensive line; that has made far too many mistakes. Reina is a great keeper, but costs the club a lot of money, and is valuable to us because he is our only good quality choice in goal. If we alleviated the 100k a week or so he earned and sold him for a high enough fee, and offered too good quality keepers half that wage for appproximately £10m each, the chances are that one of them will step up to the plate, and the other one will try and wrestle the position away. Of course its a risk selling your No. 1 keeper. Its a suggestion that allows for squad strengthening without the need for £100m. I'm not saying we are going to spot a guy for £2-3m. Only that there are under-rated keepers available at good prices, and we should always be looking to improve competitiveness in the squad.
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Because our priority, right now, is not to spend the 20m or so BR will have to spend on buying a competitor in goal. The priority is our defensive line; that has made far too many mistakes. Reina is a great keeper, but costs the club a lot of money, and is valuable to us because he is our only good quality choice in goal. If we alleviated the 100k a week or so he earned and sold him for a high enough fee, and offered too good quality keepers half that wage for appproximately £10m each, the chances are that one of them will step up to the plate, and the other one will try and wrestle the position away. Of course its a risk selling your No. 1 keeper. Its a suggestion that allows for squad strengthening without the need for £100m. I'm not saying we are going to spot a guy for £2-3m. Only that there are under-rated keepers available at good prices, and we should always be looking to improve competitiveness in the squad. But I don't think that we would improve by selling our best players, we will just end up like Arsenal at best. They have been doing just that and won nothing since they started.
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Under 23 Player
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So we stick with what isn't working to the same level? He's not been consistent since Rafa left. How long do you live remembering the quality a player once had? I don't think, right now, I'd put him in our list of top 5 players from this season. So how can you call him one of our best players... Just because he is the best in his position, doesn't make that comparable across the pitch.
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1st Team Squad
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Good....
Suarez, sg, glen...
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Skrtel, Allen, borini
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Br, ayre, fsg
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So we stick with what isn't working to the same level? He's not been consistent since Rafa left. How long do you live remembering the quality a player once had? I don't think, right now, I'd put him in our list of top 5 players from this season. So how can you call him one of our best players... Just because he is the best in his position, doesn't make that comparable across the pitch. He had a bad spell at the beginning of the season, he was also injured, was much better after that. Now if we sell him, we should try to buy somebody better, not take chances. Experience is very important for a goal keeper, the best goalkeeper after Schmeichel at United was VanDer Saar, who joined not when he was a young promissing keeper.
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