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I really hate our fans giving FSG a easy time, especially as you claim we are now a midtable team and have to reduce our expectations.

I'm not having that,FSG are making a tidy sum for owning our club, but they have to realize they have to spend the money as if we can compete with Chelsea or Man City.

If not we will keep going backwards.

Look at the transfer fee Red Sox have spent in recent years compared to our transfer fees

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did I say we're a midtable team? we're certainly not a top4 team and we're now even struggling for top 6. It's absolutely shocking and a disgrace.

But my point is, there are no easy answers. Local owners couldn't solve our problem... now two subsequent set of owners have struggled. I would bide time until it no one can blame the fans for being impatient and ungrateful. Whic probably means giving them another season. Pretty soon cracks will appear - either BR will say he's not being supported or FSG will start doubting BR. Unless results improve of course - in which case we'll all be happy.

If you're able to see the history of my posts you'll see I've always doubted FSG. Keeping Roy showed they didn't have a long term plan when they bought the club; giving Kenny the job for 6 months was good but giving him a 3 yr contract was a shocker; I didn't like Commolli's appointment ... I could go on.



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Liverpool simply aint attractive enough for any multi billionaire and why would they.

The players are like the stadium, in bad shape, to take us over now and turn us in to a top team again would cost way to much, the stadium your looking at at least £450 million and to re build the squad properly in to a top 2 squad your looking at £150 million at least. Why would any owner bother? Especially when the likes of Everton, Spurs have better players than us and both their grounds are in better shape than ours. Even Brighton Hove Albion with their stadium look a more attractive prospect to buy than Liverpool.

And the worst part in all this is the decline on the pitch, from second in the league to 7th in just 3 years, if the declines continues then we'll be 10th or 11th each season in another 3 years, it'll be ok though because with FSG and Ayre's managing of expectations we'll accept it and keep moving back wards.

Fair enough FSG have invested funds on players, but are they willing to give the go ahead to buy a £25 million plus player which we need instead of 3 players for £8 - £10 million? I highly doubt this. These are the reasons we wont get back in to the top 4, obviously we can develop youth and buy young players for that price range and more than likely they'll turn in to good players, but whats the point when the clubs around us can buy youth from abroad for mega money thats 3 or 4 times better than the youth players England produces?

Then if somebody comes in and does build us this huge stadium, it certainly wont be out of their own pockets, so then we have 5 or 6 years of paying back for the stadium before we can really get going and this gives the owners yet more time to manage expectations.

If you look at the steady decline of our club since say 1990, if does make alot of sense to say that by 2025 we will probably be a Championship club unless we do get that huge billionaire owner. We've gone from top dogs to also rans in the space between 89 and 95, we then came back a bit and made it appear we were on the way back to dominance, only to fall back down again, we then went and won the Uefa Cup, Champions League and almost won the premier league in the space of a decade, but then we fell from second in 08/09 to 7th in 12/13, if the trend continues then we should be looking at a 6th place finish next year then 8 or 9th the year after. Then after that we'll come back up to 7th place and then the years after down to 10 or 11th, and slowly this will continue and slowly we'll lose fans year by year, then the revenue gets smaller and smaller as potential investors, sponsors etc will see the decline in the way described and not want to take a chance.

This is exactly whats about to happen to Liverpool Football Club unless we get that elusive billionaire from Qatar or Asia, or unless we have a very very good season next year and get back in the top 4, other than those alternatives i really dont see how were going to get back to the top, alot and i mean alot of Liverpool FC's future could be relying on Brendan Rodgers and the current squad (give or take arrivals/departures in the summer).

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Liverpool simply aint attractive enough for any multi billionaire and why would they.

The players are like the stadium, in bad shape, to take us over now and turn us in to a top team again would cost way to much, the stadium your looking at at least £450 million and to re build the squad properly in to a top 2 squad your looking at £150 million at least. Why would any owner bother? Especially when the likes of Everton, Spurs have better players than us and both their grounds are in better shape than ours. Even Brighton Hove Albion with their stadium look a more attractive prospect to buy than Liverpool.

And the worst part in all this is the decline on the pitch, from second in the league to 7th in just 3 years, if the declines continues then we'll be 10th or 11th each season in another 3 years, it'll be ok though because with FSG and Ayre's managing of expectations we'll accept it and keep moving back wards.

Fair enough FSG have invested funds on players, but are they willing to give the go ahead to buy a £25 million plus player which we need instead of 3 players for £8 - £10 million? I highly doubt this. These are the reasons we wont get back in to the top 4, obviously we can develop youth and buy young players for that price range and more than likely they'll turn in to good players, but whats the point when the clubs around us can buy youth from abroad for mega money thats 3 or 4 times better than the youth players England produces?

Then if somebody comes in and does build us this huge stadium, it certainly wont be out of their own pockets, so then we have 5 or 6 years of paying back for the stadium before we can really get going and this gives the owners yet more time to manage expectations.

If you look at the steady decline of our club since say 1990, if does make alot of sense to say that by 2025 we will probably be a Championship club unless we do get that huge billionaire owner. We've gone from top dogs to also rans in the space between 89 and 95, we then came back a bit and made it appear we were on the way back to dominance, only to fall back down again, we then went and won the Uefa Cup, Champions League and almost won the premier league in the space of a decade, but then we fell from second in 08/09 to 7th in 12/13, if the trend continues then we should be looking at a 6th place finish next year then 8 or 9th the year after. Then after that we'll come back up to 7th place and then the years after down to 10 or 11th, and slowly this will continue and slowly we'll lose fans year by year, then the revenue gets smaller and smaller as potential investors, sponsors etc will see the decline in the way described and not want to take a chance.

This is exactly whats about to happen to Liverpool Football Club unless we get that elusive billionaire from Qatar or Asia, or unless we have a very very good season next year and get back in the top 4, other than those alternatives i really dont see how were going to get back to the top, alot and i mean alot of Liverpool FC's future could be relying on Brendan Rodgers and the current squad (give or take arrivals/departures in the summer).


Agree with every word apart from one thing evertons ground is in better shape than ours.


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Maybe its not i am not one to judge that as i have never been inside it, but yeah apart from that one the rest of my points stand and in my honest opinion are a very realistic measure of where we could be going as a club if something major doesn't happen soon.

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did I say we're a midtable team? we're certainly not a top4 team and we're now even struggling for top 6. It's absolutely shocking and a disgrace.

But my point is, there are no easy answers. Local owners couldn't solve our problem... now two subsequent set of owners have struggled. I would bide time until it no one can blame the fans for being impatient and ungrateful. Whic probably means giving them another season. Pretty soon cracks will appear - either BR will say he's not being supported or FSG will start doubting BR. Unless results improve of course - in which case we'll all be happy.

If you're able to see the history of my posts you'll see I've always doubted FSG. Keeping Roy showed they didn't have a long term plan when they bought the club; giving Kenny the job for 6 months was good but giving him a 3 yr contract was a shocker; I didn't like Commolli's appointment ... I could go on.



Yes - we all revel in retrospect and hindsight don't we?

FSG showed their inexperience early on but are slowly learning as they go. The Hodgson decision might have been weird to us - but a lot of people in football thought he was a solid and sensible appointment at the time, given that the club had just come through a period of instability and chaos. But to be fair - FSG sacked Hodgson in his first season, which is what the fans wanted. Dalglish's appointment was also popular - and he earned his contract after a good initial interim period. The Comoli thing and the buy young British was a failed experiment - but FSG were following historical precedents in trying to find a different and winning formula. Top European clubs have a DoF - Comoli was lauded as a top talent finder - and the Liverpool team of the 80s as well as the ManU team of the 90s all had a strong British spine. For inexperienced owners learning the game - these steps can only be condemned with the benefit of hindsight. Following the sacking of KD, for not seeming to have a long-term plan, FSG changed courses and opted for an up and comer with a long-term building plan. This time they went against fan pressure and found someone they thought could develop into a Wenger or perhaps even a Shankley over time. This is probably because the other quick approaches failed - so the continuity route gets its turn. While we have not returned to our glory days in his first season - FSG will have seen marked improvement in organisation, structure, youth policy, fitness, after instituting many changes. I'm sure FSG would have appreciated a top 4 finish this season - but I'm sure they were well prepared for season just being a steady transition season with various aspects of the club progressing. I'm sure we'll find out at the end of the season - but I think a lot of koptalk fans have a very reductive view of what is happening at our club and don't quite realise what the owners are now going for. We are not Man City or Chelsea - so a different sort of growth and graft is needed. Have they made mistakes? Plenty! Are they the worst owners in the prem? Not by a long shot!


But BR was not even their first choice, they almost recruited Martinez, so are they operating by trial and error?

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did I say we're a midtable team? we're certainly not a top4 team and we're now even struggling for top 6. It's absolutely shocking and a disgrace.

But my point is, there are no easy answers. Local owners couldn't solve our problem... now two subsequent set of owners have struggled. I would bide time until it no one can blame the fans for being impatient and ungrateful. Whic probably means giving them another season. Pretty soon cracks will appear - either BR will say he's not being supported or FSG will start doubting BR. Unless results improve of course - in which case we'll all be happy.

If you're able to see the history of my posts you'll see I've always doubted FSG. Keeping Roy showed they didn't have a long term plan when they bought the club; giving Kenny the job for 6 months was good but giving him a 3 yr contract was a shocker; I didn't like Commolli's appointment ... I could go on.



Yes - we all revel in retrospect and hindsight don't we?

FSG showed their inexperience early on but are slowly learning as they go. The Hodgson decision might have been weird to us - but a lot of people in football thought he was a solid and sensible appointment at the time, given that the club had just come through a period of instability and chaos. But to be fair - FSG sacked Hodgson in his first season, which is what the fans wanted. Dalglish's appointment was also popular - and he earned his contract after a good initial interim period. The Comoli thing and the buy young British was a failed experiment - but FSG were following historical precedents in trying to find a different and winning formula. Top European clubs have a DoF - Comoli was lauded as a top talent finder - and the Liverpool team of the 80s as well as the ManU team of the 90s all had a strong British spine. For inexperienced owners learning the game - these steps can only be condemned with the benefit of hindsight. Following the sacking of KD, for not seeming to have a long-term plan, FSG changed courses and opted for an up and comer with a long-term building plan. This time they went against fan pressure and found someone they thought could develop into a Wenger or perhaps even a Shankley over time. This is probably because the other quick approaches failed - so the continuity route gets its turn. While we have not returned to our glory days in his first season - FSG will have seen marked improvement in organisation, structure, youth policy, fitness, after instituting many changes. I'm sure FSG would have appreciated a top 4 finish this season - but I'm sure they were well prepared for season just being a steady transition season with various aspects of the club progressing. I'm sure we'll find out at the end of the season - but I think a lot of koptalk fans have a very reductive view of what is happening at our club and don't quite realise what the owners are now going for. We are not Man City or Chelsea - so a different sort of growth and graft is needed. Have they made mistakes? Plenty! Are they the worst owners in the prem? Not by a long shot!


But BR was not even their first choice, they almost recruited Martinez, so are they operating by trial and error?

Exactly vish, you've put your finger on the two words that define FSG; Trial and Error. What luck it will be if they happen to get it right, and they just might, but...

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Originally Posted By: vish mauritius
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Originally Posted By: TheMightyLFC
did I say we're a midtable team? we're certainly not a top4 team and we're now even struggling for top 6. It's absolutely shocking and a disgrace.

But my point is, there are no easy answers. Local owners couldn't solve our problem... now two subsequent set of owners have struggled. I would bide time until it no one can blame the fans for being impatient and ungrateful. Whic probably means giving them another season. Pretty soon cracks will appear - either BR will say he's not being supported or FSG will start doubting BR. Unless results improve of course - in which case we'll all be happy.

If you're able to see the history of my posts you'll see I've always doubted FSG. Keeping Roy showed they didn't have a long term plan when they bought the club; giving Kenny the job for 6 months was good but giving him a 3 yr contract was a shocker; I didn't like Commolli's appointment ... I could go on.



Yes - we all revel in retrospect and hindsight don't we?

FSG showed their inexperience early on but are slowly learning as they go. The Hodgson decision might have been weird to us - but a lot of people in football thought he was a solid and sensible appointment at the time, given that the club had just come through a period of instability and chaos. But to be fair - FSG sacked Hodgson in his first season, which is what the fans wanted. Dalglish's appointment was also popular - and he earned his contract after a good initial interim period. The Comoli thing and the buy young British was a failed experiment - but FSG were following historical precedents in trying to find a different and winning formula. Top European clubs have a DoF - Comoli was lauded as a top talent finder - and the Liverpool team of the 80s as well as the ManU team of the 90s all had a strong British spine. For inexperienced owners learning the game - these steps can only be condemned with the benefit of hindsight. Following the sacking of KD, for not seeming to have a long-term plan, FSG changed courses and opted for an up and comer with a long-term building plan. This time they went against fan pressure and found someone they thought could develop into a Wenger or perhaps even a Shankley over time. This is probably because the other quick approaches failed - so the continuity route gets its turn. While we have not returned to our glory days in his first season - FSG will have seen marked improvement in organisation, structure, youth policy, fitness, after instituting many changes. I'm sure FSG would have appreciated a top 4 finish this season - but I'm sure they were well prepared for season just being a steady transition season with various aspects of the club progressing. I'm sure we'll find out at the end of the season - but I think a lot of koptalk fans have a very reductive view of what is happening at our club and don't quite realise what the owners are now going for. We are not Man City or Chelsea - so a different sort of growth and graft is needed. Have they made mistakes? Plenty! Are they the worst owners in the prem? Not by a long shot!


But BR was not even their first choice, they almost recruited Martinez, so are they operating by trial and error?


Who says? They interviewed multiple candidates - normative process if you ask me. The first interview doesn't always get the job.


Apparently yes they interviewed multiple candidates. Which one of them was somebody who had great credentials or at least had won trophies? I don't remember any which was linked to us. I would agree though that BR came to them with some kind of a 200 pages thesis, so basically they wanted somebody who would not challenge their policies and at the same time hoping for the best.

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