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by The Mirror

Kenny Dalglish on Margaret Thatcher tributes: Why Hillsborough victims are more deserving of a minute's silence

Respect should be shown where it is due, NOT demanded, writes Kenny Dalglish

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So Graham Kelly, the former chief executive of the FA, thinks there should be a minute’s silence for Margaret Thatcher at football games this weekend.

Really? Well, I’m glad Mr Kelly is still popping up with suggestions because I have got a few for him, too.

The first is that this weekend should be about our football clubs wanting to be respectful to the fans who died at Hillsborough on April 15, 1989.

It would be totally wrong for anybody to attempt to make any other act of remembrance go hand in hand with that.

Everyone who didn’t realise it already now knows, after the events of this year, that those who died are more than worthy of that minute’s silence.

And the response from football supporters everywhere to the emergence of the truth about what happened at Hillsborough - nowhere more than at Everton - has been unbelievable.

So let’s have nobody trying to jump on a bandwagon and using it for something else.

If the FA, in their great wisdom, wanted to plan a tribute to Mrs Thatcher, let them do it another weekend. Not this one.

And maybe while Mr Kelly is talking about ‘appropriate levels of respect’ for the former Prime Minister maybe he should apply that to Hillsborough, too.

Mr Kelly was one of the men in power at the FA at the time of the disaster and it would be nice if, finally, he sat down with some of the families of those who died.

The discussions don’t need to be made public. They could take place in private but it would be courteous if he gave the families answers to a few questions.

Why did you pick a ground that had no up to date safety licence for Liverpool’s FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest?

Why did your organisation ignore warnings about previous problems that had happened at Hillsborough?

The FA was the organisation that approved the venue for the game. Does that not mean they have a certain level of responsibility for it?

I don’t know the answers to these questions but Mr Kelly does. Why doesn’t he have a sensible conversation with the families?

Maybe, he could also tell them why the FA appeared to be focussing on football after Hillsborough rather than the human tragedy that had unfolded.

Football was incidental after Hillsborough. Football didn’t matter. All these years on, I’d like to know if Mr Kelly recognises that now.

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Originally Posted By: Dunk
by The Mirror

Kenny Dalglish on Margaret Thatcher tributes: Why Hillsborough victims are more deserving of a minute's silence

Respect should be shown where it is due, NOT demanded, writes Kenny Dalglish

----

So Graham Kelly, the former chief executive of the FA, thinks there should be a minute’s silence for Margaret Thatcher at football games this weekend.

Really? Well, I’m glad Mr Kelly is still popping up with suggestions because I have got a few for him, too.

The first is that this weekend should be about our football clubs wanting to be respectful to the fans who died at Hillsborough on April 15, 1989.

It would be totally wrong for anybody to attempt to make any other act of remembrance go hand in hand with that.

Everyone who didn’t realise it already now knows, after the events of this year, that those who died are more than worthy of that minute’s silence.

And the response from football supporters everywhere to the emergence of the truth about what happened at Hillsborough - nowhere more than at Everton - has been unbelievable.

So let’s have nobody trying to jump on a bandwagon and using it for something else.

If the FA, in their great wisdom, wanted to plan a tribute to Mrs Thatcher, let them do it another weekend. Not this one.

And maybe while Mr Kelly is talking about ‘appropriate levels of respect’ for the former Prime Minister maybe he should apply that to Hillsborough, too.

Mr Kelly was one of the men in power at the FA at the time of the disaster and it would be nice if, finally, he sat down with some of the families of those who died.

The discussions don’t need to be made public. They could take place in private but it would be courteous if he gave the families answers to a few questions.

Why did you pick a ground that had no up to date safety licence for Liverpool’s FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest?

Why did your organisation ignore warnings about previous problems that had happened at Hillsborough?

The FA was the organisation that approved the venue for the game. Does that not mean they have a certain level of responsibility for it?

I don’t know the answers to these questions but Mr Kelly does. Why doesn’t he have a sensible conversation with the families?

Maybe, he could also tell them why the FA appeared to be focussing on football after Hillsborough rather than the human tragedy that had unfolded.

Football was incidental after Hillsborough. Football didn’t matter. All these years on, I’d like to know if Mr Kelly recognises that now.


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Originally Posted By: Dunk
by The Mirror

Kenny Dalglish on Margaret Thatcher tributes: Why Hillsborough victims are more deserving of a minute's silence

Respect should be shown where it is due, NOT demanded, writes Kenny Dalglish

----

So Graham Kelly, the former chief executive of the FA, thinks there should be a minute’s silence for Margaret Thatcher at football games this weekend.

Really? Well, I’m glad Mr Kelly is still popping up with suggestions because I have got a few for him, too.

The first is that this weekend should be about our football clubs wanting to be respectful to the fans who died at Hillsborough on April 15, 1989.

It would be totally wrong for anybody to attempt to make any other act of remembrance go hand in hand with that.

Everyone who didn’t realise it already now knows, after the events of this year, that those who died are more than worthy of that minute’s silence.

And the response from football supporters everywhere to the emergence of the truth about what happened at Hillsborough - nowhere more than at Everton - has been unbelievable.

So let’s have nobody trying to jump on a bandwagon and using it for something else.

If the FA, in their great wisdom, wanted to plan a tribute to Mrs Thatcher, let them do it another weekend. Not this one.

And maybe while Mr Kelly is talking about ‘appropriate levels of respect’ for the former Prime Minister maybe he should apply that to Hillsborough, too.

Mr Kelly was one of the men in power at the FA at the time of the disaster and it would be nice if, finally, he sat down with some of the families of those who died.

The discussions don’t need to be made public. They could take place in private but it would be courteous if he gave the families answers to a few questions.

Why did you pick a ground that had no up to date safety licence for Liverpool’s FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest?

Why did your organisation ignore warnings about previous problems that had happened at Hillsborough?

The FA was the organisation that approved the venue for the game. Does that not mean they have a certain level of responsibility for it?

I don’t know the answers to these questions but Mr Kelly does. Why doesn’t he have a sensible conversation with the families?

Maybe, he could also tell them why the FA appeared to be focussing on football after Hillsborough rather than the human tragedy that had unfolded.

Football was incidental after Hillsborough. Football didn’t matter. All these years on, I’d like to know if Mr Kelly recognises that now.
Dunk , kenny is spot on about mr kelly and mrs thatcher .

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I certainly agree with the questions to graham Kelly for me he is one in the front line of the enquiry. For the questions as put in the article that ground was a death trap and there were a few incidents before 15th April 1989. I think including Leeds fans in one incident and manchester Utd fans in another. As for mts thatcher I do think there should be some recognition at football grounds however I would not want that to dilute hillsborough in any way. Perhaps there should be some compromise those clubs that wish to do it should and clubs who wish to opt out can. Liverpool I
Presume would be one who would opt out.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I certainly agree with the questions to graham Kelly for me he is one in the front line of the enquiry. For the questions as put in the article that ground was a death trap and there were a few incidents before 15th April 1989. I think including Leeds fans in one incident and manchester Utd fans in another. As for mts thatcher I do think there should be some recognition at football grounds however I would not want that to dilute hillsborough in any way. Perhaps there should be some compromise those clubs that wish to do it should and clubs who wish to opt out can. Liverpool I
Presume would be one who would opt out.
stan thatcher hated football and football fans , i think she would have let football die if it was up to her , and to have a minutes silence in the week of remembering 96 dead at a football match for a person who as i believe was partly to blame for covering up the truth , would be a final insult to all of us involved in hillsbrough , plus stan i hear you talking about you admiration for thatcher , well fine its up to you , but i admire many politicians not all labour one , but the massive admiration i have doesnt many they were always 100% correct , IE i admire bill clinton but he was not always right , i admire ken clarke a tory but for me he is rarely right , derek hatton i admire because without him i would not have got an apprenticeship at 16 and would not have worked for 19 years at liverpool city council , but he did many things wrong and some right and thats just a few theres many others , but i would never put anyone in the sort of bracket you put thatcher , except my own dad .

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She hated football fans faz with damn good reason or have you forgotten what football was like in the 70's and 80's. her cabinet wanted her to ban professional football entirely at one time which she rejected. Also that every fan had to carry an indenty. Card again she rejected.

So she did not hate football as much as her cabinet.

And anther thing plenty of the general public hated football back then too because of the voilence and so to ban it might have been a vote winner but she rejected it.

Was she a football liker ? No probably not but so what ?

I seem to remember at anflield we had a minutes silence for sept 11th. So it's not done whether you like or not but for national events and this is a national event like her or loath her. But I do accept the clash with hillsborough.


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Faz Hatton is now a property developer. Hmmmmmmmm


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Faz Hatton is now a property developer. Hmmmmmmmm
yes and what ?? cant people do other things ?? mark thatcher is an arms dealer who is worse ??

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
As for mts thatcher I do think there should be some recognition at football grounds


Football was a working man's sport. She hated it and all who followed it and not just the hooligan element. I'm sorry but you are deluded to suggest that real football fans would want to acknowledge this woman.

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Originally Posted By: Dunk
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
As for mts thatcher I do think there should be some recognition at football grounds


Football was a working man's sport. She hated it and all who followed it and not just the hooligan element. I'm sorry but you are deluded to suggest that real football fans would want to acknowledge this woman.


I am glad you said WAS a working mans sport. Dunk football fans come from all walks of life even more so today. I am a Tory my mate who is so right wing he makes me look like ken livingstone has also followed Liverpool for 48 years. Many people who attend anflield are from places like Cheshire Wirral Chester all Tory areas. But it's not about who you vote for its a national event as was sept 11th. No doubt there were some in the anflield crowd that night (Liverpool had an evening game) on sept 11th who hate America and thought it got what it deserves. Can you imagine if emp had been in the crowd that night ? But it was stil held. The notion that all at anflield are ordinary working folks is well off the mark these days. I would say most are middle class or upper earners / aspirational. You have to be to afford a grand a year to get in.


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