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load of crap....everyone knows in their gut what went on. and the smear campaign is enough proof of a cover up.
stan stop trying to dilute the real anger and justified hatred the people have of maggie . she hated them .
and its a bit insulting and patronizing to think the people of liverpool are going to be duped into accepting a scapegoat anyway. these people have worked long and hard and professionally for justice.
ur just coming out with this crap again try to white wash the horrible vile cow I don't think in this case he is trying to protect Thatcher as such. He is ensuring that she doesn't become the only scapegoat. It would be very easy for those who are trying to defend their positions and actions to blame it on Thatcher now, saying it was a culture she created etc etc. Thatcher might well be to blame but others need to be held accountable correct
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crap...the lawyers and researchers working on behalf of the 96 are proper hard working professionals.
this is a lame attempt at again trying to protect his sacred leader. who when all things are considered was one of the worst people of the 20th century. worst of all, her policies and that of reagan have destroyed the 21st too. You have your personal feelings towards her, as do I, as does Stan. My feelings I would imagine are a lot closer to yours than his but in this point you are wrong. She might well be the main culprit to blame but there needs to be a process to establish that fact and jumping the gun now could potentially dilute other people's actual involvement in the cover up
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Facts are facts it was the government of 1989 that didn't do the right things to stop the 23 years of hurt , if the government on 89 had done its job , Murray, duckinfield would have been brought to justice in 1990/91 instead we have had ridicule, hate towards us for fighting for just , people saying oh self pity scousers etc etc , you just want to for some reason protect the thatcher government , who protected the SYP even the fact that the WMP were instructed to change statements were did that order come from it had to be at the top level .
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Without getting into politics, I think what Stan is saying is a very valid point but I honestly do not believe that the people of Liverpool or any other LFC supporter would be stupid enough to accept Thatcher as a scapegoat. I don't have any family connected to Hillsborough, but even for me it is a very emotional topic, one very close to my heart and I would not accept it so I cannot see how the people of Liverpool would.
I don't think there is any possibility of blame being thrown Thatchers way whilst the rest escape responsibility. The fight for justice has been so long and hard fought that there is no way we are gonna let those responsible get away.
I just realized I lied when I said I didn't have family involved in the Hillsborough disaster, I did, to me you are all my family, part of the LFC family. YNWA
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Facts are facts it was the government of 1989 that didn't do the right things to stop the 23 years of hurt , if the government on 89 had done its job , Murray, duckinfield would have been brought to justice in 1990/91 instead we have had ridicule, hate towards us for fighting for just , people saying oh self pity scousers etc etc , you just want to for some reason protect the thatcher government , who protected the SYP even the fact that the WMP were instructed to change statements were did that order come from it had to be at the top level . Did you read my post? Do you understand my point? you happy to let duckinfield off the hook and let a dead premier take the blame ? Faz I need to hold my language but you need to think here. Think dont launch into attacking think first and think what you are doing and the outcome. This is not a matter or winning or losing on an internet forum its about getting the result against those who caused the disaster. Scapegoating thatcher on no evidence and drawing blame from those alive and to blame would be a total disaster. If you dont understand the point Faz please say so and I will try to give a better explanation.
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Exactly so, so stick to them. Bishop of Liverpools report not your mate at the bar.
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I think those younger need to understand the culture of the 70s and 80s in both football and working life. The violance at football grounds was immense and the Government even considered closing down the league at one point post Heysel. jees Chelsea installed electric fences such was the angst. It became a us vs them situation, fuelled by disasterous economic policies, it was Victorian Britain between the have and the have nots.
The Police recruitment system even to this day is flawed. It works on a 'who you know' and you do not even require a degree to join or progress. The masonic lodge is a necessity to be promoted not an option MPs and even PMs will due to democratic elections come and go, so their influence is always temporary. The police authority However even admitted it is institutionally racist in the MET. Any initiative to break this down would take decades, the very people to promote you have been promoted in the same manner. It would be Turkey's voting for Christmas.
Justice Taylor poited the finger and subsequent Police cheifs have paid off anyone close to investigation in order to avoid presecutions within the force.
Thatcher is gone, chear loud and be proud. The Hillsborough culprits are very much still at large.
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very intelegent commenrs cp1972. Young fans today dont realise the backdrop to hillsborough which was 20 years of vicious houlliganism. Of course that did not cause hillsborough but was part of a potent mix that lead to fans being caged. The shutting down of professional football after the luton and england incidents was a real possibility. Thatcher rejected this and identity cards which was another thing they were on about and the banning of away support. I remember about 1988 or so I worked with one of my colleagues who lived in leeds. He was a family man and absolutey dispised football or to be more excact football fans. He said he could not go into leeds town centre shopping with his wife and family without huge gangs of intimdating young men kicking in doors and running amock. If you think I am exaggerating spea to any football fan over 50.
This was the environment then hillsborough occured.
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load of crap....everyone knows in their gut what went on. and the smear campaign is enough proof of a cover ur just coming out with this crap again try to white wash the horrible vile cow Emp public hearings and courts of law are not run on gut feel those are kangaroo courts you are thinking of there. They are based on evidence and due process.
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No problems with anyone having an opinion about any politician. Anyone who goes into politics does so with the knowledge they are there to be shot at. Whilst I admit I am an admirer of Margaret Thatcher I do accept in the industrial north, miners and the people of Ireland there are reasons why they would dislike her. I also accept she got some things wrong.
But let me explain something about Margaret Thatcher she is in fact dead.
Hold that thought in your head for now.
This is not a political thread it concerns Liverpool and the biggest event to ever hit the club by a mile the Hillsborough disaster nothing ever comes close to that. Anyone who thinks differently can’t call themselves a Liverpool, fan.
We are seeing here hearsay based on a closed doors probability and some agendas that Margaret Thatcher personally arranged the cover up or rather her government did with her collusion. After 23 years of searching for the truth there is not a scrap of evidence to support that and that was not in the conclusions of the bishop of Liverpool’s report.
Let me point to the dangers of what we are doing here.
Liverpool is a working class city in the main Labour voters and in the main hates Thatcher. Last Monday a group of people were letting off fireworks and displaying banners on the steps of lime street station.
By now promoting the hearsay (because that’s all it is) in a close knit city like Liverpool we could very soon have the notion that Maggie Thatcher caused Hillsborough in the local public’s mind. This could not happen at a worse time with the impending new hearing based on REAL evidence.
What this could do is draw away blame to Thatcher. Remember when I said to hold that thought?
Yes she is in fact DEAD.
How much easier will Duckenfield, the civil servants, the senior police and ambulance officers now rest given all the blame is being drawn to an ex premier who is now dead? Leave aside the fact there is no evidence to support this hearsay.
THINK what you are doing people at a time when we have worked for so many years and so hard to get justice here we are about to let the REAL guilty people off the hook.
You know what I f*cking despair I really do!!!!!
You know who else is dead? Bobby Sands. The leader of the hunger strikers who Thatcher refused to talk to even after he had been elected an MP. The one she let die without attempting to reason with and one of those who she refused to grant P.O.W. status to even though it was such a small thing to her. The fuckingg bitchh can rot!
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