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would be some improvement . what we have today is not democracy, to call it so is laughable. what is the turnout these days, 25% or something. and what are u voting for ,wankers that are in the pockets of the elite . america would have rebelled if they didn't offer a black president as some sort of yes we can [oops]. capitalism survives but barely.

banks,and financial system needs to socialized. no chance they will allow that to happen so we have to go to war. we have to kill and destroy or else lose the entire human race.
the environment is already screwed thanks to todays capitalism . and the divisions being set now between haves and have nots are unsustainable. [oops] american military might, take em down from inside. free the prison which is gaza..israel now hosing down protestors with raw sewage. makes my skin crawl , something the nazi's would do. sharon son's calls for gaza to be turned into hiroshima . and we do nothing.

Direct democracy is not the solution in the 20th or 21st century. I would however vote for a 'democratic' party in the present system.

I do like the idea of recalling a failing politician during the term though.

The truth is that politicians could, today, carry out the wishes of their constituency but the Financial system which is currently at the helm thanks to the multinational banks, is self serving. Only in 'modifying' substantially the banking system (impossible), so that the bankers get paid for a service rather than the ordianary person paying for what is effectively a non service (how much would to reverting to a system where their job is to store money in a safe? and not to create new money every time money is borrowed as it is with the fractional banking system?), and the banning of dérivatives and debt swaps hedge bets etc, will there be any change.

One of the jobs of government is to maintain order direct democracy or no, and the problem is the banks have merged seemlessly into governance via the EU and Federal reserve. This system needs to go. But how can it be achieved without revolution?

I am not an economist but the ordinary person (including myself) wouldn't know enough about major Financial decisions to evaluate success of the democratically elected leaders.

Age old argument I suppose, can the people (substitute 'chav') be trusted to govern themselves in a Philpottcracy?

The majority of public opinion would want capital punishment.
The majority of public opinion can change quickly and be manipulated by the press. I think the present first past the post system is satisfactory at the moment.

we have "democratic parties". why on earth wouldnt direct democracy work? taking into account of course the swiss already do it.

You mean the ones we have in UK? They are not democratic in the sense they don't carry out the will of the people (in the vast majority of cases).

exactly. its an illusion of democracy with no accountability. same in ireland.

she is evil the only people who loved her r the rich,any liverpool fan should be happy that she has finally kicked it.plus it would not surprise me if she was part of the cover up after hillsborough,cos she hated liverpool and the football club.

But don't you think that Switzerland is the biggest illusion of all? It is a centre for criminals tax evaders. Apart from that the system of cantons is unlike most other countries except the US. And then there are 4 different languages. The system of compromise is necessitated in Switzerland. Everything done in that country is aimed at not attracting attention to itself.

I think it is the banking system that needs to go not the political system. There are lots of elements that are interesting in direct democracy but the status quo only allow systems that won't rock the boat.

vish , tony blair never lost either he won 3 election plus mate unless you lived here or some of your family lived here through the 80's i dont think you can comment , i here Stanley park and i respect his view i certain 100% disagree because in the 80's liverpool and in fact the whole of the north of england was destroyed by the thatcher government which might never recover from major, blair and brown didnt or couldnt change.

just seen this unbelievable tweet Reading chairman John Madejski wants to hold a minute's silence for Thatcher before Saturday's game v...Liverpool > how ridiculous.

Cilla needs to have a word

Are you surprised by Madejski or Dave Whelan either, both of them think that they speak for the masses.