KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Has Brendan Rodgers made the Reds a better team?

I agree that there were other factors such as his conduct and attitude whihc probably tipped the balance, but do you think he'd have been sacked if we finished 4th? I'm sure that CL qualification would have turned a lot fo blind eyes to everything else.

But that's my point - the only elements that people can use in support of BR are subjective ones. You might think we look like we're going in the right direction (and you'd be right), but others might disagree. And they'd be right too because it's an 'opinion' based argument.

The only things that can't be debated (and should therefore be the barometer of success/progression) are the league position and trophy count.

If he had finished 4th he would not have been sacked but he didn,t did he? I agree with you Rodgers is not setting the world alight but I dont think its sacking time. But same again next season and it will be I am sure.

I agree with you that Rodgers only real support is an opinion. However it is an opinion shared by many football fans which suggests to me that it will come to fruition.

I would argue that BR spent a quarter of what Kenny did and has achieved a higher league position. Our home record is better, our goal scoring record is better, the players he signed are better, and he's getting the best out of Kenny's players too. Kenny also fell short of the league positioning we got after his first half season in charge. Kenny blew 120 million worth of club resources, and the PR fallout was killing us. I personally was not in favor of getting rid. I thought he was close to something, that he'd won some silverware, and with a little time things might improve, but I understand FSG's reasoning for replacing him.

However, firing BR will not make things better. Having a revolution every year is expensive and unstable. We had a woeful start to this season, but right now, our form is pretty good. We've won 4 of our last 5 games. When could we say that under Kenny? Everyone with the exception of Lucas and Skyrtel is playing better under him, especially Suarez and Gerrard. It took a while for things to bed in and get settled, and now we seem to be doing better. Starting over again would set us back another 2 years at least. Instead of spending money on new players to refine the team, we'll be spending it on severance packages, a new coach, and new staff. And next year, it'll be the same old song and dance, us calling for the new guy to get the sack. NO MANAGER THAT WE CAN GET will bring Liverpool to 4th in one season, and every sacking makes the job less desirable.

Yeah that's a good post red, LFC has a tradition of supporting their managers and giving both new managers and new players a chance to settle in and find their feet. However neither Kenny nor Brendan got that from a small section of the fans on this site, they were calling for the sack after just a few games into both reigns! That kind of behaviour can have no credibility, and reflects poorly on those who engage in it. Every newly appointed manager and player is entitled to a reasonable opportunity to settle in and prove themselves, and not be subjected to the kind of bullyboy tactics we see displayed on this forum, , it's just nonsense.

Good post Red...I started off as a BR sceptic, not calling for his head, but sceptical due to jis lack of experience. However I think that sacking BR is the worst possible move we could make at the end of this season. For FSG's strategy of developing players and the team as a whole to have any chance of working, both the manager and the players have to have the needed time to make things happen.

In my opinion, BR has done enouigh with our squad to make me believe that he deserves another season...and if next season we improve, even to end up 5th on the table, I will say that he deerves another season, because improvements are being made...once again in my opinion.

I get what Carheex is saying, but all the stats point to the fact that team is performing better for cheaper...and to be honest, just watching the team, i get the impression that the improvement is visible.

Yes everyone said we were playing better under KD too, but lets be honest, how hard is it to make a team play prettier and better football when you succeed Roy Hodgson. I am not having a dig at him, but his teams dont exactly blow the mind with their flare...do they?

Anyway, I think BR has made improvements and needs support from the fans, the team as a whole needs it. We need to believe we can beat anyone! A winning mentality makes a huge difference...something I am afraid even our manager has had to learn the hard way after draws to city and arsenal.

WE WILL RISE!

YNWA

No, BR hasn't improved us. Lets not be biased now cos he's the current boss, but last season at this stage we had our first trophy in 6 years and only were 1 place behind where we currently are which as Carheex said doesn't really matter, lets not use our red tinted specs cos he's in charge, imo were worse off based on trophies alone.

we are better off in terms of wages and getting sharfted in the transfer window

Well, based on trophies alone, no one can argue with that, we won one under Kd and this season we haven't. However, I think we have to take into account what our future holds, and honestly, under BR I can see a future, I can see the team progressing and improving, whereas under KD i didn't quite have that feeling. Perhaps because KD also wasn't given enough time.

Once again though, this is just my opinion and as Carheex has pointed out basically, this is all based on opinion.