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Fair enough Treps but what about the tattoo?

men and women have been known to get tattoo's of their partners names, doesnt mean they stay with them forever.

Flames we all know women come and go but you never change your team. You lot have been spending to much time with emp

i'd love him to stay, and i'd love him to be red all the way, but the thing with the likes of carra is he came thru the ranks. torres has already moved club in his career, so there is always a threat that he could go elsewhere. what if, next year, he starts to notice his form is dropping because he is playing in a staggnent system. if the goqals start to dry up he'll go. whats to stop him becoming michael owen? never thought he'd be a manc but liverpool have that tendancy to heap pressure on certain players by pinging the ball at them all the time, it gets easy to defend and eventually the striker is smothered, and they lose form. in those circumstances, he will leave. it'll be best for him and the club.

Owen was and always will be a money grabbing bast*ard. And as far as the last sentence in your post goes I can't believe that a supporter could actually post that?!

This forum has gone to the dogs. I wish all of you post 2005 fans would f*ck off and support someone else. 5 years of hard work with little or no money and a waring board room doesnt come undone after a dodgy six months. We should call this forum THE ANTI LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS MESSAGE BOARD.

Take care one and all

your awful fiesty lately.
firstly, im not post 2005, whats that all about?

secondly, Owen was hailed as the next fowler etc etc, and was tearing up defences. my point is that it got to a stage where he was depended on too heavily for goals and we got very narrow in our approach which meant every defense had Owen in their pocket. if we rely as heavily on torres, (and it could happen, especially when he is a lone striker), eventually defenders will have it sussed and he will get increasingly frustrated. if that happens, he will have a pain in his arse quite frankly and rightly so, thus leaving the club with two solutions. let him go, or provide enough options on the pitch so that we are not one dimensional and it would free him up a bit.
an Example of this would be Anelka. He looks amazing at chelsea for that very reason. defenders are trying to deal with 3 or 4 attacking players against chelsea, with us its one, maybe two.
But what i dont understand is why you think this point of view is anti liverpool?

grow up murph - i have been supporting liverpool a lot longer than that - i remember sitting at anfield every other week through the dross that was souness' time ..... the difference was, until he went and sold his story to the s*n, at least there were good young players given a chance in the team ....... yes the team was sh*te, but the kids had a chance and gave us hope for the future ..... now we have a manager that has a team full of underperformers, while the great youth players we have are sat at home watching us play on the telly or sat on the bench not even being asked to warm up, even when we are 2-0 up to one of the worst teams i have ever seen in bolton

the reason people are losing hope is because rafa is not showing any signs of planning for the future - he is being short sighted with rushing out and buying players every time it looks like we might have to give a kid a chance in the team ..... it is going to destroy us unless he gives them a chance or buggers off somewhere else

oh and it doesn't help that we play such negative, defensive footie either

i assume he means it is why we struggled at times

we all know owen left coz madrid waved a wad of cash under his nose

i think the two reasons co exist. we had become very stagnent, and we werent going to achieve anything trying to thread the ball to owen over and over. he knew that, and i think the fans knew it too. it was the right thing for him to leave, for everyone involved. we may not have won the CL with him in the team.
i agree, owen is a mercenary. but i dont think it was a mistake per say. we are in danger of depending to heavily on gerrard as well, and thats noticeable when you see other players step up their game in gerrards absence. we need more balance in the team. too much focus at the moment is on gerrard and torres, it belittles the other players IM(humble)O.

murph needs a hug