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if i could be bothered i could go through other managers and bad buys that they have made but i really couldnt be bothered as i said if you looked at rafas transfer record honestly and fiarly it would compair favourably with anyone elses
if you want to critics rafa thats fair enough but critise him for things he has done badly

i dont see that it matters - he brings the best striker in the world to the club but gives him no support ..... his tactics are the problem - it doesn't matter how much money he is given those arent going to change

fergie
veron, berabtov, nani, jemba jemba, kleberson, heargreves need i go on
wenger
jeffers, richard wright, cygan, reyes, senderos need i go on
moyes
andy johnson 8m, james beattie was it 6m andy ven der meyde 2m yakubu 11.25m
like i said when you look at it honestly and fairly you will see that every manager has made bad signings and that rafa's transfer record would stand up against anyones

Emp how do you manage to put Aquilani on the failures list, i always knew he would take till next season to show what he can do. And for the record

Keane - Good player
Morientes - on the cheap everyone of us were exciting when we heard he was signing but couldnt hack it in the prem who knew it was worth a punt at the time.

Kuyt - last season 10 goals 15 assists. Since when does a player need to nutmeg 3 players fly down the line and put it in the top corner to be effective. We've all seen that in a good team - not in the grab that our backup team is, he can clearly pull his weight.

So enough with the ridiculously one sided arguements Rafa should be criticised for his recent tactics and defensive line ups he be criticised for absolutely every thing hes done since his mother gave birth to him

Who out of those that Fergie bough were/are a success? There is a huge amount of maoney wasted there just like Rafa has. The difference is the scum keep winning things so it goes un-noticed. If we had won the league or anything more than nothing in the last few years it wouldn't be such an issue. Like you said before its more about the tactics and how the players are used which won't change.

Whatever Rafa has with is tactics, i really cant comment on it. Im not with him, i cant understand some of his tactics either. I recall watching us go out at juventus for champions leage game, and i couldnt believe the team he set out.

My point is the following, Give him his 1st choice players, then i will judge him. I cant understand teh Lucas issue, i cant understand the aquilani issue.

One thing i would like to mention is that 20million for aquilani was not paid upfront. It will work out to 20million over 5 years. This is again proof that the money from the alonso sale wasnt totaly given to rafa.

Babel - Young talent of the year (I would buy a player with that on his CV)

Lucas - Ballon d or winner in brazil (I would buy a player with that on his CV)

Aquilani - "The next Totti - (I will certainly buy a player like aquilani, also given the fact chelsea wanted him too)

When you buy a player, you can never guarantee that player will be a success. That alonso was playing football at Bilbao, i mean i never heard of him before he came to LFC. Look at where alonso is now, same with arbelo.

nUNEZ was a bonus player from the sale of Owen.

I mean Morientes, after his exploits for Monaco, i would have bought him.

All a coach has is a repuatation and the sight of a player, how the player turns out is a seperate issue.

Look at Robinho??? Cmon, that guy came with a 5 star reputation, he is leaving a club where Bellamy is a even better player.

I can tolerate buying babel for 11million, selling him for 9 million.

I will never be able to tolerate spending 30 million on a player like berbatov.

Give Rafa the privelage of spending 30mill on 1 player. Then lets see what he brings in.

i agree emp - it is how a manager manages with the player he can get to the club that shows his ability

emp who in the players i listed were cheap back ups or a success
a lot of the players you say are failures for us have been bought as cheap backs
successfull buy by rafa, reina, johnson, agger, insua 1.5 million what would he cost to buy now, aurileo a free tranfer, alsonso made huge profit on him, mascherano, torres, will i go on or will i stop there, how about crouch, sissoko,
like i keep saying when you look honestly and fairly at rafas record in the transfer market it is as good as anyones, he has made some great buy and some bad ones like all managers
so critise rafa for his tactics if you want but that is a different issue, you starting in this tread saying rafas transfer record was utter crap, stick to the one arguement

Well maybe to you it holds no water. When you a big club mate, you get what you want. If tje club cant attract teh best, then maybe we need to examine the club and its standing in football. I.E do players feel LFC is a attractive club to join?

Chelsea got 80% of the players they wanted, who do we compete with for players???

On a occasion we compete with arsenal for walcott of Chamack, mALOUDA, eVRA, VIdic. We somehow loose most of our battles for the big named players. Why is that?

Are we the club that world class players want to play at?

not at the moment and it's not so hard to understand why. the whole club is a mess.