KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Five billion waterfront project approved today

stanley you obviously dont know Liverpool or it's infilstructure or you would know these very same problems came up when Everton applied for the Kings Dock. I think after your comments you have never traveled from the Rocket to Town or you would know how bad the traffic is, Liverpool is one of the worst City's to get into the City centre from unless you are traveling from the Wirral where you can use the tunnel, most other City's the motorway or main dual carriageway leads near enough to the centre whereas our's does'nt it stops at the Rocket or Switch Island depending on which way you come in from, even Queens Drive does'nt go near the centre. I also think you are underestimating the council, they have just spent about a billion pounds on Liverpool 1 the main shopping day is Staurday do you honestly think they would put at risk all those business's losing money because shoppers might stay away if there are loads of football supporters milling around the pubs in town, come on mate be serious...

Ooooo someones efficient with google, well done mate...

I know that but don't you think they are planning to build new infrastructure given the largest investment in Europe is going into Liverpool ?

worst case scenario a billionaire buys everton and builds a brand new stadium in stanley park for them and we a stuck in a redeveloped anfield that would be a right sickner for me...

a billionaire buying Everton would mean that they can finally afford to build a shared stadium. The only reason it has never happened is because Everton cannot afford the payments, they are hand to mouth now.
Everton were hoping the council would assist massively but the council feel the two clubs should build a shared stadium and subsidise the Anfield/Everton regeneration. Something that will never happen.

LFC cannot afford a 450mil stadium, the pressure on tickets prices means they at best can maintain current prices. Arsenal funded their stadium by selling Highbury for housing development for a return of 200mil, + naming rights of 100mil,3 quarters was paid for up front and the rest has come from increased ticket prices.

The land in Anfield ain't worth a carrot, naming rights and ticket prices would fund a new anfield stadium. Not going to happen.

wheras a 160mil anfield redevelopment is possible if naming rights are obtained(100mil) and increased income from the extra 15,000 (mainly corporate). for me it's a no brainer

Well if they were putting all their eggs in the FFP basket that would be bad enough, but that's not really what they were doing. They had a chance to seek out top class players before the FFP rules took effect and leave us in a strong position, but no, instead they opted for the cheaper and longer (but much higher risk) strategy of buying young 'potentials', many of whom may never become top quality. So what they were really doing was using FFP as a fig leaf to cover their unwillingness to compete in the transfer market.
FFP doesn't affect spending on Stadium building, so why the cheap option there? Only one answer, they are cheapskate owners without ambition who are not prepared to spend the kind of money that will keep us up with the competition.

long term a redeveloped anfield will mean only one thing liverpool are forever outside the top clubs. Fair play rules will only widen this gap as we will not be able to generate the same turnover or sponsorship. (The only reason they are sponsoring us now is our history).

The only way out of this situation is new owners who are prepared to invest big. However FSG are not interested in whats best for LFC just whats best for a medium term speculative profit.

I agree completely.

What I meant was that FSG wants to spend the least and still compete and to be able to do that they rely on FFP as LFC can generate a relatively sizeable revenue thanks to the fan base, teams like City and Chelsea can only compete through the deep pockets of their owners which APPARENTLY will not be possible with FFP. Their business model (which is not to spend like Abramovich and the Sheiks) completely depends on FFP.

But what is high capacity, above 60k? I read in one article about the new stadium some years back, that, as soon as you go above 60k, your per seat cost goes up drastically as the structural design changes.I would suppose the per seat capacity goes down again after a threashold capacity which is quite significant. I think you also need to cater for other infrastructure like the transport system to the stadium which is as important. There must be a reason why the capacity discussions for years have never gone beyond 60k.