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Originally Posted By: Stuntman_Mike
That's what left such a bad taste in your mouth???
many more thing IE washing the clubs dirty linen in public , the only thing i ever agreed with george gillett said "just coach and manage your team " and if benitez had done that he might have been still at anfield , even gerrard said in his book " there was no option benitez had to go" .

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That's what left such a bad taste in your mouth???
many more thing IE washing the clubs dirty linen in public , the only thing i ever agreed with george gillett said "just coach and manage your team " and if benitez had done that he might have been still at anfield , even gerrard said in his book " there was no option benitez had to go" .


If rafa had just 'coached and just managed the team', we would never have known what gillett was doing to our club. We were in CL for consecutive seasons but we had no money to buy players. Our club was rotting from inside out. If rafa cared for himself, he won't have bothered exposing G+H and risking his own rice bowl. Till today, I respect the man for what he did as he was the lone defender of the club against evil in those dark days.

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That's it, really???

The whole club was a mess at that time - a mess created by those two cowboys.

Raffa is no saint, but to hold that kind of grudge against him for talking to the owners through the papers....

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stop singing about him in abot 08 when it went sour for me , but always for the club always not one of its former employees who decided to take massive amounts of money to manage chelsea and when its gone bad as usual spat him dummy out .


But we were top of the league in 09 for a while and played some unbelievable football. You were not happy then?
unbelievable football the same team booed off at home to hull, west ham and fulham , and the dire middlesboro away there only victory that season .


You seem to only remember the bad but forget the good.

That season we did the double over the scum including a 4-1 hiding at old toilet. We trashed Real madrid 4-0 to send shockwaves throughout europe. We trashed barcodes 5-1 at tyneside. Did the double over chavs in the league.

You don't appreciate rafa for those games?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Liverpool fans did sing for houllier when he came as villa manager and he acknowledged it ad got some stick from villa fans as I recall.
yes he got a decent reception and rightly so even Roy H got a decent reception and yes he should get a good reception when we play chelsea , but at wigan sorry diont get it , should have been singing for rodgers which when they do is muted even from the kop . i love Rafa


There you go, so we do sing for our old gaffers who are in trouble. You used "nobody sang for Houillier" to justify your stance on Benitez, then a page later you awknowledge that we in fact aren't just singing for Rafa, so which is it? Sounds like your argument is just a personal agenda to me

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Got a feeling of real pride when I heard the travelling fans sing for Rafa like that. They did the club proud with that gesture and showed what a horrible lot they are at Chelsea. This has nothing to do with anything bar the fans showing support to a respected former manager who is going through a sh1t time at his present employer. Well done lads and lassies. A sign of true class.
100% disagree never heard this sort of support for houllier when he was geting grief at villa and i have never heard that sort of support for liverpool present manager , especially when liverpool were winning 4-0 away from home , as i said earlier SING FOR LIVERPOOL F.C. not
chelsea and there manager , it has nothing to do with liverpool what chelsea or there manager does or doesnt do , the chanti ng was even louder than JFT 96 which is not right , look not one person forced benitez to go to chelsea , he is getting very well paid for it , and it has nothing what so ever with LFC .



You say it has nothing to do with Liverpool what Chelsea or their manager does or doesn't do.

If that's the case then why did you dedicate an entire thread to the Chelsea Corinthians World Club Championship match.

Your hypocrisy is breath taking Faz.

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
FFS - he's a fan and fully entitled to his opinion that the Rafa song was an act of poor judgement.

He's hardly the only Liverpool fan to cringe when the song rang out. The blind allegiance to a manager who is a mere shadow of his former self - to some - is annoying. Rafa refused to rebuild his career at a decent club after the Inter debacle - and he went into the Chelsea job blinded by his own ego, which has been his undoing for years now. Any logical person (i.e. not willfully blinded by misplaced and counterproductive nostalgia) could see that Rafa's tenure at Chelsea would only end one way - it was doomed doomed doomed!

Yes, Liverpool fans are free to voice their support for an old (and I would add 'decaying') manager - but other fans are equally free to find it distasteful. Rafa is just one of many old heroes - many of whom are never even whispered about by the kop anymore. We are enduring a long Rafa hangover, not just one relating to his success, but to his many failures and the final state in which he left the club.
The temptation to get a dig in at Chelsea is obviously too great to resist - but I wish our fans were a bit more even in their attitude of reverence.


If fans want to give support to a former manager who is being treated disgracefully by the chavs why is it a problem?

It is not a long Rafa hangover, it is Liverpool fans showing the chavs what real
support actually involves.

The anti-Rafa bias is every bit as strong on here as the pro-Rafa bias on here and faz's obsession with Rafa is almost embarrassing.

Some of us liked Rafa and are thankful to him for what he did for the club, why should that be a problem?

We all support in different ways and we all have our favourites but I tell you one thing there isn't a red on here that wasn't happy we won yesterday.

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Originally Posted By: maquinn777
Got a feeling of real pride when I heard the travelling fans sing for Rafa like that. They did the club proud with that gesture and showed what a horrible lot they are at Chelsea. This has nothing to do with anything bar the fans showing support to a respected former manager who is going through a sh1t time at his present employer. Well done lads and lassies. A sign of true class.
100% disagree never heard this sort of support for houllier when he was geting grief at villa and i have never heard that sort of support for liverpool present manager , especially when liverpool were winning 4-0 away from home , as i said earlier SING FOR LIVERPOOL F.C. not
chelsea and there manager , it has nothing to do with liverpool what chelsea or there manager does or doesnt do , the chanti ng was even louder than JFT 96 which is not right , look not one person forced benitez to go to chelsea , he is getting very well paid for it , and it has nothing what so ever with LFC .



You say it has nothing to do with Liverpool what Chelsea or their manager does or doesn't do.

If that's the case then why did you dedicate an entire thread to the Chelsea Corinthians World Club Championship match.

Your hypocrisy is breath taking Faz.
like we said well done to swansea last week and bradford when they got the final , just congratulating Corinthians victory a club that has made a massive come back after administration to be world champs and south america champs beating chelsea who i thought would win but didnt .

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Liverpool fans did sing for houllier when he came as villa manager and he acknowledged it ad got some stick from villa fans as I recall.
yes he got a decent reception and rightly so even Roy H got a decent reception and yes he should get a good reception when we play chelsea , but at wigan sorry diont get it , should have been singing for rodgers which when they do is muted even from the kop . i love Rafa


There you go, so we do sing for our old gaffers who are in trouble. You used "nobody sang for Houillier" to justify your stance on Benitez, then a page later you awknowledge that we in fact aren't just singing for Rafa, so which is it? Sounds like your argument is just a personal agenda to me
at anfield when liverpool play villa , and when he was very ill in a birmingham hospital , not because he has flopped at chelsea and he signed a massive highly paid contract to be interim manager and then throws his toys out the pram again.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
They need to think up something better than "there is only one Brendan Rodgers"

Actually factually not true i checked and there are 15143 named Brendan Rodgers in the uk alone.
laugh

i like this new funny side to you.

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