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I think as a general rule, it should go by points accrued but that can only be judged really over the entirety of a season, or half season as the case may be.

I would judge good performances at the start of a new managers tenure when not everything has fully fallen into place but can see potential in the performance.

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Progress measured by half seasons, as an indication of where we are at.

That would be positivity - from what we see on the field.

This is all hear-say (?)

If we finish on the same points, but on an upward spiral - that builds confidence.

If we start strong, win our first 19 games but finish the season drawing / losing our last half of the season's games - does that make the season's equal due to points accumulated???

No, it doesn't.





I dunno, maybe I'm just a hopeless optimist - either that, or just a realist

I think that progress should be measured on a whole season because on half season, you may have tougher games one half season to the other because of home and away games. If for instance you are playing most of the top 10 teams away in a particular half season, then that half season will be tougher than the 2nd half season. Also, I would consider all games in the season including the cups (which does add to the number of games you are playing) when doing the comparison.

Like I've said I don't care about cups until we can compete near the top of the league. They are just a distraction from the bread and butter. Playing a youth team in the cup has no correlation to how well the team performs in the league.

What if you win the first 19 games, and lose the rest? That would be a disaster for the future as the feeling would be so negative and nobody would want to join the club. But if you just looked at the season on a whole, we would have 57 points. Are you saying that this would be progress? Did you not fully think through you response?

Continually improving form is surely the best indicator. Using half season would take into consideration tougher games. Its not going to be argue tight, but as an indication of where we are at, you would be mad to ignore it. Kenny was obviously sacked due to the half season flop.

I had this discussion with Carheex the other day where he asked me the same thing that if we had a great first half but a disasterous 2nd how would I feel and I said that BR should probably be sacked in that case.

A new manager needs some kind of time to bring in his ideas. It shouldn't take a whole season or even really half but the only fair way to compare is to take the first half versus the 2nd as you play the same teams.

If Kenny had had a more even points accumulation last year and still ended up on 52 points, the owners might have been a lot more forgiving of him but the total collapse and the timing of it really put him under severe pressure

I think, like others have said, Kenny was most likely going for his poor transfers and the way he handled the Suarez affair.

Your point regarding the cups will be valid if you take a decision of playing your youth team in the cups, not if you want to win it and provide the resources (players) for that. I would have loved to win the league cup and still in the FA cup, not you? I still believe that a club like LFC needs to win trophies, you don't seem to agree, it's your opinion.

Yes Kenny was probably sacked due to the half season flop, but, I think to consider only the league games for only half a season is not a holistic aapproach. Replacing him because of this by a rookie manager at this level, has already proven to be a bad decision. Last year in Feb, we were still in 2 cups (already won one) and still fighting with Arsenal for 4th (until the 3rd March, our home game against Arsenal). This year we are out of everything in Feb. I can't understand how some people are saying we have progressed compared to last year, sorry, I am looking at facts here, not feelings.

Facts are that 4th place was a lot poorer last year than it was this year. Tottenham have improved and we will see by the end of the season how far we have improved

Poorer you say, was Arsenal not better last season than this season? Spurs was as good except for the last quarter of the season, and despite changing managers are as good (no need for transitional period).

Of course we should have a better points tally in the second half of this season compared to last year because we have only one thing to worry about, the league. Let's see how much better.