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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: Marko2709
You guys really think that makes you better fans? By the way, I have...as I said, the Debrecen game in Hungary...I just also understand that 50% of LFC fans would kill to be in aposition where they could afford to do that...they wouldn't list it as a sign of their support or say how much dedication it takes, they would look at it as a privilege and a fantastic opportunity.

You see, it's you guys that don't seem to understand that supporting a club that is not your local team and following them every day is a sign of the love and passion you have for that club. If that love and passion doesn't makes us fans, trust me all the dollars in the world won't either!


Your assumption is the people who travel to away games are rich and passionless you really have no idea have you ?
stanley, you can remember like I do the lenghths fans went to to attend our first European Cup Final in Rome in 1977. Some fans traveled by hook or by crook to get to the eternal city that day, people even sold household possessions in order to raise funds to attend the game, you remember the football special they laid on from Lime Street to Rome, it took about 4 days to get there, there was only two toilets onboard and the food and drink ran out just past Crewe, the worst thing was because it was a train full of football supporters no town or place would allow them to stop on route until they got there, the Rome Dash as it was better known as is famous in folklore now within the City...

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Marko

Disagree

You ever gone away in Europe got home at 5am and gone to work

You really have no concept have you ?
stanley, they just dont seem to grasp that there are different levels of dedication, usualy dictated by how much you are willing to sacrifice, go out of your way or give up in order to watch your team. I bet there are fans who traveled to Russia tonight, who could'nt really afford it but have gone regardless knowing full well, they will have to go without something else but they obviously felt it was worth giving up in order to support the boys, this is what I mean by dedication, many of us do make sacrifices but not as much as some fans do, this is my point about different levels of support...


Really? And what if the only thing that you could perhaps sacrifice to go to that match is food for youur family for the next month? Is that a sacrifice some of you have made? You have no clue about what some have to endure just to make enough to feed their families yet you are here talking about sacrifices...Woohoo, someone had to give up a weeks supply of beer, or a new game for their playstation so they could afford a match ticket...Well when the only thing you have left to give up is food for your family and yourself, then you realise, going to a match isn't dedication, it's a privilege...


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Marko

Disagree

You ever gone away in Europe got home at 5am and gone to work

You really have no concept have you ?
stanley, they just dont seem to grasp that there are different levels of dedication, usualy dictated by how much you are willing to sacrifice, go out of your way or give up in order to watch your team. I bet there are fans who traveled to Russia tonight, who could'nt really afford it but have gone regardless knowing full well, they will have to go without something else but they obviously felt it was worth giving up in order to support the boys, this is what I mean by dedication, many of us do make sacrifices but not as much as some fans do, this is my point about different levels of support...


Really? And what if the only thing that you could perhaps sacrifice to go to that match is food for youur family for the next month? Is that a sacrifice some of you have made? You have no clue about what some have to endure just to make enough to feed their families yet you are here talking about sacrifices...Woohoo, someone had to give up a weeks supply of beer, or a new game for their playstation so they could afford a match ticket...Well when the only thing you have left to give up is food for your family and yourself, then you realise, going to a match isn't dedication, it's a privilege...



Spot on Marko....

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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Originally Posted By: Marko2709
Originally Posted By: coolflames
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Marko

Disagree

You ever gone away in Europe got home at 5am and gone to work

You really have no concept have you ?
stanley, they just dont seem to grasp that there are different levels of dedication, usualy dictated by how much you are willing to sacrifice, go out of your way or give up in order to watch your team. I bet there are fans who traveled to Russia tonight, who could'nt really afford it but have gone regardless knowing full well, they will have to go without something else but they obviously felt it was worth giving up in order to support the boys, this is what I mean by dedication, many of us do make sacrifices but not as much as some fans do, this is my point about different levels of support...


Really? And what if the only thing that you could perhaps sacrifice to go to that match is food for youur family for the next month? Is that a sacrifice some of you have made? You have no clue about what some have to endure just to make enough to feed their families yet you are here talking about sacrifices...Woohoo, someone had to give up a weeks supply of beer, or a new game for their playstation so they could afford a match ticket...Well when the only thing you have left to give up is food for your family and yourself, then you realise, going to a match isn't dedication, it's a privilege...



Spot on Marko....
it's funny that the only people agreeing with Marko are fans who dont actualy attend matches regulary if any, while people like myself, stanley and faz have a different viewpoint, nothing wrong with a difference of opinion as its a forum but it does show different points of view. I think a person who spends money week in week out on a product, will always feel a bit stronger about being ripped off a bit more because the money actualy comes out of his pocket rather than somebody who just takes an interest with no expense coming out of his pocket or hardly any anyway.

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At the end of the day following a football club is a hobby or interest.

Like all interests the more you invest in time and money the more you get from it.

i enjoy photography and invest in equipment and spend a lot of time on it. I could read about it in books or buy DVD.s on it. That would nit be the same as doing it myself. The same with following Liverpool which I have done since I was 7 I am 55 now. Watching football is so much more than watching the game the travel the people you meet the sounds the smells the emotion.

Marko I could never get you to understand that


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So you know how much everyone on here spends on merchandising etc...

The sooner you super fans realise that you mean nothing to our American owners and that your views mean nothing more that the rest of us on here the sooner you might get down off your high horses.

The only people you are important to are yourselves.

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You don't need to go back that far the greatest night I ever witnessed at anfield including st etienne was Chelsea 2005 I have never known anything like it. And don't be surprised if something happens next week with zenit.

You never get that from the TV screen

Unless you have experienced it they you do not know and I cannot explain it no matter how hard I try.


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You don't need to go back that far the greatest night I ever witnessed at anfield including st etienne was Chelsea 2005 I have never known anything like it. And don't be surprised if something happens next week with zenit.

You never get that from the TV screen

Unless you have experienced it they you do not know and I cannot

explain it no matter how hard I try.


I wouldn't dispute that Stan, we just enjoy it as much in our own way even though we aint there.
I will tell you another thing Stan we feel every defeat every bit as much as you lads do.

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let me spare you some time. w all know what a forum is.


Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.

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You are wrong marko TV rights and sponsorship come from having a product. They don't pay millions for no reason.

That product is the team the stadium and the FANS

No fans no stadium no team no product nothing to show on TV. Unless we watch empty stadiums maybe you would like that ?


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