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You would imagine though the Thomas cook fans would sing their litte hearts out as for most it's a one off or lifetime opportunity to see the reds. It's old fogies like who have seen it all you would think are to blame.

stanley do you know what mate am gonna have to disagree with your point about the fans from the 80s and being older. The reason I say that is that back in the 80s I was part of of a group of about 18 of us we went to all the home games and most of the away had a good bevy before and after the game too. Then during the 90s the prices went up and our group numbers went down to about 9 or 10 of us now when we go the game there are only 3 or 4 due to it being nearly 50 quid a game, this has been the story for many local fans now, the only people who can afford it now are rich Out of Town or foreign fans as they have the money to travel in the first place, I know if Liverpool played in Birmingham I couldn't afford to go don't know about you stanley. I think there are not many local fans attending now, the numbers drop each season going by only to be replaced with middle class prawn sandwich brigade people, I think this has played the biggest part in the demise of atmosphere at Anfield...

I think I will stop reading this thread, the snobbery and condescension towards other fellow reds is too much to stomach.

Expect it from the usual suspect but not from one of the more respected posters on here.

Some people on here would need to take a long look at themselves.

why would you allow childish rubbish to bother you shags, even for a second.

there is no snobbery and condescension towards other fellows reds , i think its the truth as i posted when i talk about the lads who run the famous wilcox tours , and the legend that was bobby wilcox and all that crew its because there is a hierarchy of reds , everyone are reds supporters or followers for very different reasons , but i wouldnt say i am the same as those lads even though i have travelled all over europe to watch liverpool , IE those tonight in zenit massive respect to go there and like the reds who went to gomel ETC just massive respect to them and thats the point all , not that some are fake or real all are real reds just that some are and still more dedicated than others .

its one set of fan trying to make themselves feel more important than another set of fans. paint it any way ya like. thats the only reason anyone would get involved in this debate.

its c0ck measuring, plain and simple.

Spot on flames and it's bothering me because it has gone on for 27 pages and is degenerating into a them and us debate.

dont agree mate no one is more important than any other , but i would certainly say there is a hierarchy of reds , i talk about bobby wilcox i dont know any supporter the club would put the clubs flags at half mast for and allow his funeral to go through both main stand and centenary car parks because he was a true legend who went to every game i mean every game with his famous wilcox tours.

listen, their is no hierarchy, thats a falsehood. im delighted to hear the club did that for mr wicox.

my point is, i go to a lot of dublin games, and when big games come around their are a few unfamiliar faces around me. there are some people who watch all the matches on the box. The thought of considering myself a better fan than those people makes me want to physically vomit because it is an absurd and unfounded search for self importance. I go to the games because i choose to, i couldnt give a flying shiite what anyone else does, nor should i. There are absolutely no reasons or grounds for comparing myself to someone else in the context of game attendance.

have ever heared of bobby or who he was ???