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i dont think it really changes in one season so for that reason I think we need to just concentrate on bettering out points tally, thats the clearest indication on wether we have improved and gone better than last season...

No, position is a much better measure. Points tally on its own means nothing as we are not on our own in the league. Points in a league is only used to measure ones performance relative to others, ie to get a position, that's all. As you know, there are no trophies for points earned. However, I know you have a different view and you will not understand mine.

I agree with you Vish position on the table shows how much you've improved on your opposition. The higher or lower you are the more you have improved or declined.

99.9 times i will disagree with coolflames on almost anything except this..
He is actually right.. If we are purely measuring progress then we have to go by points tally alone!

We cant measure progress by league position because that has too many variables that we cannot dictate.. Such as other teams dropping more points around us without us actually taking the points off them..

Sounds silly but W L D is how progress is measured not league position.

If we came 4th on 60points but the year before came 5th on 70points then that doesnt mean we improved, the teams around us were just worse.

In sayin that though if we make top four with less points than ever i couldnt care less, id take it and run!

I see both sides of the argument but i'm with cool on this one purely on team performance progress

And you think that the number of points obtaind is a variable that we can dictate? Ok if the matches are fixed and teams show up at anfield not trying. Otherwise the opposition has a lot to say on whether liverpool get 3 points or not.

Progress is subjective. How do you fathom in new owners, spending rules.?

Even if you look at WWLLDD etc that gives you a snapshot , and only suggests an indication of 'form'. There is a reason they give you only (usually) the last 6 matches form , its because its a mere indicator and is liablle to change, depending on the team performance AND that of the other teams. Since, if you play 6 matches against teams of improved form you will more likely get less points in those six matches than if the 6 teams were in poor form. Hence the reason why points tally alone means nothing..

I m off trainspotting again

Hypothetically - What if a team came 7th with 65 points the year after they won the title with 60 points? Did that team improve or not?

We are talking purely on performance progress.. That is totally points related. No one is mentioning fixing games, your clutching at straws now. Who cares about the last six games, its exactly that, a snapshot..

Yes that team definatley improved if we are talking about performance related progress but in this instance the teams around it improved alot more;)

I'd say it means it's a more competitive league but we've improved by finishing higher.

What are you talking about??????

Define 'performance progress'.