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I know where you're coming from but if we finish 6th, we've been the 6th best team, irrelevant of points tally. If we finish 10th with more points, 9 other teams have secured more points than us so either a few teams have improved more than us, or the teams below have weakened more drastically. You can only determine how good you are by beating the opposition, if we finish 3 places lower, we're performing worse against our opposition.
6th to me is competing for top 4, as long as we're close. 9th is mid-table and a long way to go. That where we differ, I think top 4 is acheivable - maybe next season though, you think we'll finish 7-9th for the forseeable future.
We'll see where we are in 3 months. so you dont want to improve on last season by winning more games while at the same time losing less over the season then...
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I agree with omega the higher up the league we finish the better coud nt care less how many points relative to past seasons totally irrelevant.
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I know where you're coming from but if we finish 6th, we've been the 6th best team, irrelevant of points tally. If we finish 10th with more points, 9 other teams have secured more points than us so either a few teams have improved more than us, or the teams below have weakened more drastically. You can only determine how good you are by beating the opposition, if we finish 3 places lower, we're performing worse against our opposition.
6th to me is competing for top 4, as long as we're close. 9th is mid-table and a long way to go. That where we differ, I think top 4 is acheivable - maybe next season though, you think we'll finish 7-9th for the forseeable future.
We'll see where we are in 3 months. so you dont want to improve on last season by winning more games while at the same time losing less over the season then... If we accumulate more points, but finish lower, more teams have performed better than we have, therefore we haven't improved. We're competing against 19 other teams, not ourselves. It's not rocket science.
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I know where you're coming from but if we finish 6th, we've been the 6th best team, irrelevant of points tally. If we finish 10th with more points, 9 other teams have secured more points than us so either a few teams have improved more than us, or the teams below have weakened more drastically. You can only determine how good you are by beating the opposition, if we finish 3 places lower, we're performing worse against our opposition.
6th to me is competing for top 4, as long as we're close. 9th is mid-table and a long way to go. That where we differ, I think top 4 is acheivable - maybe next season though, you think we'll finish 7-9th for the forseeable future.
We'll see where we are in 3 months. so you dont want to improve on last season by winning more games while at the same time losing less over the season then... If we accumulate more points, but finish lower, more teams have performed better than we have, therefore we haven't improved. We're competing against 19 other teams, not ourselves. It's not rocket science. so what if we won just 10 games all season but finished 7th with 34 points nearly 20 points less than the previous season where we finished 8th, would you say we were better than last season because of a higer league position...
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We wouldn't finish 7th with 34 points would we? That's like me saying 'Would you rather finish 10th with 70 points or 1st with 50?
Would you say we were worse off because we'd won less games but won the league?
It's not black and white, you started comparing 6th and 10th so stick with that insted of saying 7th and 8th with 20 points difference...
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Th I know where you're coming from but if we finish 6th, we've been the 6th best team, irrelevant of points tally. If we finish 10th with more points, 9 other teams have secured more points than us so either a few teams have improved more than us, or the teams below have weakened more drastically. You can only determine how good you are by beating the opposition, if we finish 3 places lower, we're performing worse against our opposition.
6th to me is competing for top 4, as long as we're close. 9th is mid-table and a long way to go. That where we differ, I think top 4 is acheivable - maybe next season though, you think we'll finish 7-9th for the forseeable future.
We'll see where we are in 3 months. so you dont want to improve on last season by winning more games while at the same time losing less over the season then... If we accumulate more points, but finish lower, more teams have performed better than we have, therefore we haven't improved. We're competing against 19 other teams, not ourselves. It's not rocket science. so what if we won just 10 games all season but finished 7th with 34 points nearly 20 points less than the previous season where we finished 8th, would you say we were better than last season because of a higer league position... I'm off trainspotting catch you later
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We wouldn't finish 7th with 34 points would we? That's like me saying 'Would you rather finish 10th with 70 points or 1st with 50?
Would you say we were worse off because we'd won less games but won the league?
It's not black and white, you started comparing 6th and 10th so stick with that insted of saying 7th and 8th with 20 points difference... for me there is no difference between finishing 6th and 10th, all I look for in those positions is bettering ourselves points wise than last season as in winning more games and losing maybe less, if you are talking about League title success I think its all about positions in the league but we are no longer a league club so positions does'nt make a difference for me, improvement for me is how well you have done over the season which is calculated in points accumilated not in how many positions you may move up or down.
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I agree with that higher points tally = improvement but Omega also has a point it works both ways really
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Good result for Spurs there beating Newcastle, keeps us well ahead of the Geordies first and foremost and also keeps Spurs ahead of Everton for that Champions League place, Spurs will hopefuly open up a bit of a gap now if Everton lose to United tomorrow...
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We don't have to worry about Newcastle, they're the 15th best team in the league.
Thank god Bale's probably going in the summer.
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