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But KK had alot more quality in terms of squad depth..

FSG left BR with 16 outfield players to register for competitions this year. 20 in total! 4 bloody keepers!

So BR has a team which is virtually the same as KK but with kids like super sterling and suso instead of Kuyt and Maxi!

Worse team doing better.. Thats progress pal!

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Do you not think he is getting better performances out of a lot of players? Suarez, Downing, Gerrard and Henderson all have scored more goals and have more assists than all of last season in a lot less time played with the exception of Gerrard.

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Originally Posted By: Maxi88
Do you not think he is getting better performances out of a lot of players? Suarez, Downing, Gerrard and Henderson all have scored more goals and have more assists than all of last season in a lot less time played with the exception of Gerrard.


Equalled last years tally for home wins and about 4 goals short of the seasons tally as well....

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I'm less interested in individual stats - for me, if BR was doing a good job our team would be higher than 7th. Ken was fired for spending £130m to take us from 6th down to 8th whilst reaching 2 cup finals. BR has spent £50m taking us back to 7th but we've been knocked out of 2 cups. Much of a muchness if you ask me and certainly not what I would class as "progress". But each to his own.

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Let's not forget though Car that BR has only been allowed to buy players that have the potential to become great and because he also has restrictions on prices too lowers the possibilities of them being what we hope. It's not like he"s being allowed to buy a Hazard! Kenny never had that huge negative and spent £ 80 million more.

That very fact means they need time to come on and therefore so does BR. There are a number of clouds but overall I feel more comfortable with his management than Kenny's.


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Valid points. But up until 2 weeks ago, Allen aside, it was basically kenny's team. Has BR done more with Kenny's team than Kenny did?

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Yes because the squad is worse then when KK had it.. 16 outfield players, 20 in total. most team struggle to hit the 25 quota and loan people out. We're 5 players short.

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
I'm less interested in individual stats - for me, if BR was doing a good job our team would be higher than 7th. Ken was fired for spending £130m to take us from 6th down to 8th whilst reaching 2 cup finals. BR has spent £50m taking us back to 7th but we've been knocked out of 2 cups. Much of a muchness if you ask me and certainly not what I would class as "progress". But each to his own.


For one the season has not finished so comparing final league positions is not fair on either. Kenny had to get rid of 10+ players and replace with younger hungrier players this he did and it is strting to look like some of his buys are decent Suarez, Enrique, Henderson and even Downing have started to produce good displays.
is the improvement is these and others down to settling in or BR? Bit of both I say

BR has a different challenge, he had to release high earners and experienced players and buy young players on lower salaries. He also has been told to integrate the talented young players and for 5mths was left woefully short of strikers and experienced players.

my view is that Kenny did do a good job but probably fell short of the vision for the club. He built confidence and restored pride through two cup finals.His public face was more of a problem than what happened within the club

BR however is loved by the media and has done a good job in improving the squad. Like all young teams(2nd only to Villa) they suffer from inconsitency and lack mental strength. Recent months have shown progress with fewer draws and more wins, defeats have been in frequent but far to often against teams above.

too summarise neither were a disaster and certainly we are alot stronger than before Kenny came. BR seems to have the coaching skills to improve the players but does he have the leadership skills to drive the club into the top 4? I would say yes

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
I'm less interested in individual stats - for me, if BR was doing a good job our team would be higher than 7th. Ken was fired for spending £130m to take us from 6th down to 8th whilst reaching 2 cup finals. BR has spent £50m taking us back to 7th but we've been knocked out of 2 cups. Much of a muchness if you ask me and certainly not what I would class as "progress". But each to his own.


For one the season has not finished so comparing final league positions is not fair on either. Kenny had to get rid of 10+ players and replace with younger hungrier players this he did and it is strting to look like some of his buys are decent Suarez, Enrique, Henderson and even Downing have started to produce good displays.
is the improvement is these and others down to settling in or BR? Bit of both I say

BR has a different challenge, he had to release high earners and experienced players and buy young players on lower salaries. He also has been told to integrate the talented young players and for 5mths was left woefully short of strikers and experienced players.

my view is that Kenny did do a good job but probably fell short of the vision for the club. He built confidence and restored pride through two cup finals.His public face was more of a problem than what happened within the club

BR however is loved by the media and has done a good job in improving the squad. Like all young teams(2nd only to Villa) they suffer from inconsitency and lack mental strength. Recent months have shown progress with fewer draws and more wins, defeats have been in frequent but far to often against teams above.

too summarise neither were a disaster and certainly we are alot stronger than before Kenny came. BR seems to have the coaching skills to improve the players but does he have the leadership skills to drive the club into the top 4? I would say yes


That is a damn good point! Each Summer they have been here they have cleared out 10+ players and not replaced half of them and saved £30m each window...

Yet people forget they have done this! FSG are fully to blame for the tools our managers have had and the restrictions placed on them for incoming transfers..

Who goes this Summer? Skrtel, Riena and Suarez will be prime to be sold.

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-Kenny had to get rid of 10+ players
-Brendan had to release high earners
-Brendan was told to integrate young players


Do we 'know' this for a fact?

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