Faz why do you refuse to read posts properly.
No one has said they want Everton to have success. you are putting words in peoples mouths yet again and it's becoming very tiresome.
Also you refuse to answer questions when the answer might compromise your view on Everton.
He's a good bloke, faz, but when it comes to raffa or everton he quits reading and goes spitting mad. I say it's a head vs heart situation myself, and I think Everton would do less damage at 4th. However, it would be a hard pill to swallow. That said, I like seing our rivals do well (provided we do better than them!).
It's sort of a prestige thing. If our greatest rivals are jokes it kind of makes us look less legitimate. I never want them to finish higher than us ever, but I'd rather see them win than one of the moneybag clubs or or United. At least they're scousers and not trying to buy the bloody league. Moyes has done a good job with little to work with. My brother's a bluenose, and it would be awful to see them finish above us, but if United and everton play or even Chelsea and Everton I almost want the bluenoses to win, though in any other game I'll root for whoever's playing everton. I don't want Eveton to do well, but I want them to be legitimate rivals, does that make sense?
I think faz is wrong to want them relegated. Without the derbies and all the passion in them football would be less exciting. Rivalries are great and important. Fights between supporters are not my thing. Seeing people kill eachother over football is a tragic waste of life.