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very true and nothing personal about it, just see things differently on it. A mature sensible debate on Koptalk. Well done lads, I wonder will it catch on.
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That's just too simplistic... I think the situation is far more complex than Jay's hyperbolic ranting. If FSG wanted to make money fast they wouldn't have bought a club with a massive loan leaning on it... or particularly this club. By the way, they have invested... just not at the rate of City or Spurs... and not at a rate to keep the masses happy. They did some foolhardy spending a few months back (Thanks Damion?) and are now having to overcorrect. I don't like it... no one does... but I wouldn't paint it so black and white. The stadium issue is a difficult one... but progress does need to be made and the fans are right to start getting impatient. Regarding squad investment, I do think they could buy a couple more in January... but if they decide to wait to summer then they have to support BR and his efforts in a transition season and give him assurances. There ARE positives and progress is being made in some areas. I think we are looking to build slowly, get a dynamic youth product going, bed in some long term players (like Man U did at the beginning of the 90s) and correct the overspending on players like Cole. They are still making mistakes and learning how to run a club... but I think we'll kick on with a bit of continuity and some wise investment. It is very simple though Kop, if we don't compete in the transfer market we are unlikely to compete on the pitch. If we build slowly while our competitors top up with quality we are likely to go backwards relative to them. If we go backwards we are likely to loose our best players and also find it hard to attract like replacements. The FSG strategy, if we could call it that, is self defeating. I think they're following the classic downsizing model beloved of all those American corporate raiders, and just using the fig leaf of this silly slow build strategy. I believe they'll sell us to the first buyer to offer them a profit, but in the meantime their so called strategy could well bring us and them down, before such an offer materializes.
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That's just too simplistic... I think the situation is far more complex than Jay's hyperbolic ranting. If FSG wanted to make money fast they wouldn't have bought a club with a massive loan leaning on it... or particularly this club. By the way, they have invested... just not at the rate of City or Spurs... and not at a rate to keep the masses happy. They did some foolhardy spending a few months back (Thanks Damion?) and are now having to overcorrect. I don't like it... no one does... but I wouldn't paint it so black and white. The stadium issue is a difficult one... but progress does need to be made and the fans are right to start getting impatient. Regarding squad investment, I do think they could buy a couple more in January... but if they decide to wait to summer then they have to support BR and his efforts in a transition season and give him assurances. There ARE positives and progress is being made in some areas. I think we are looking to build slowly, get a dynamic youth product going, bed in some long term players (like Man U did at the beginning of the 90s) and correct the overspending on players like Cole. They are still making mistakes and learning how to run a club... but I think we'll kick on with a bit of continuity and some wise investment. It is very simple though Kop, if we don't compete in the transfer market we are unlikely to compete on the pitch. If we build slowly while our competitors top up with quality we are likely to go backwards relative to them. If we go backwards we are likely to loose our best players and also find it hard to attract like replacements. The FSG strategy, if we could call it that, is self defeating. I think they're following the classic downsizing model beloved of all those American corporate raiders, and just using the fig leaf of this silly slow build strategy. I believe they'll sell us to the first buyer to offer them a profit, but in the meantime their so called strategy could well bring us and them down, before such an offer materializes. So what do you want to do?
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That's just too simplistic... I think the situation is far more complex than Jay's hyperbolic ranting. If FSG wanted to make money fast they wouldn't have bought a club with a massive loan leaning on it... or particularly this club. By the way, they have invested... just not at the rate of City or Spurs... and not at a rate to keep the masses happy. They did some foolhardy spending a few months back (Thanks Damion?) and are now having to overcorrect. I don't like it... no one does... but I wouldn't paint it so black and white. The stadium issue is a difficult one... but progress does need to be made and the fans are right to start getting impatient. Regarding squad investment, I do think they could buy a couple more in January... but if they decide to wait to summer then they have to support BR and his efforts in a transition season and give him assurances. There ARE positives and progress is being made in some areas. I think we are looking to build slowly, get a dynamic youth product going, bed in some long term players (like Man U did at the beginning of the 90s) and correct the overspending on players like Cole. They are still making mistakes and learning how to run a club... but I think we'll kick on with a bit of continuity and some wise investment. It is very simple though Kop, if we don't compete in the transfer market we are unlikely to compete on the pitch. If we build slowly while our competitors top up with quality we are likely to go backwards relative to them. If we go backwards we are likely to loose our best players and also find it hard to attract like replacements. The FSG strategy, if we could call it that, is self defeating. I think they're following the classic downsizing model beloved of all those American corporate raiders, and just using the fig leaf of this silly slow build strategy. I believe they'll sell us to the first buyer to offer them a profit, but in the meantime their so called strategy could well bring us and them down, before such an offer materializes. So what do you want to do? Did you need to ask Vish?
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we eall knew fsg didnt have big money when they took over.Well educated people did anyway. We have had big money wasted and not spent wisely. If it was we wouldnt be here in this position now. If we had 50 million now. ???
Read between my lines.
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We HAVE got the finances to compete with anyone. Ian Ayre said so.....
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I can't wait for that statement to become a reality! FSG won't let us down, surely?
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The owners came in, spent erratically, and are now trying to remedy those mistakes. I believe the owners invest in talent for high prices, so long as long-term return is guaranteed. I think players like Eriksen, Ayew, Jovetic, Gotze and Muniain, of that ilk, are the players they would pay highly for. We can't attract too many of them right now, so I presume they are looking at supplementary targets.
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