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LFC2k5 #298533 07/01/13 11:03 AM
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All credit to Mansfield. They gave us a right game in the second half, and the way they have reacted to losing the game, and the handball has been dignified and full of grace.

No question it was a handball. Deliberate? Don't think so. Instinctive? Maybe. One thing is clear as that as soon as it happened he was frustrated with himself and consigned to the fact that it would be their freekick. Linesman ballsed up. Can't expect Luis to do anything about it.

Those Paulo Dicanio moments don't come around often.

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Didn't people crying when John terry cleared the ball from o we the line in the euros or Roy Carroll when mendes scored at OT s few years ago

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it's endemic in the game chief. singling suarez out is absolutely ludicrous

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Alan Hansen: Suarez cannot be blamed...

Liverpool striker Luis Suárez cannot be blamed for carrying out his job and acting like any other player

Whatever moral high ground you take over Luis Suárez's goal, no footballer would ever ask for a goal to be disallowed.

It has never happened in the history of the game. It will never happen in my lifetime.

What exactly was Suárez supposed to do? Run to the referee and tell him it hit his hand? His team-mates would go berserk, and his manager would not be too impressed either.

The first thing to make clear is Liverpool's second goal in the third round cup tie was not a deliberate handball.

There is no way Suárez has moved his arm to control it. If anything, it looks as if he is trying to move his hand away when it has hit him.

The speed it was travelling, it simply ricocheted forward and struck him at angle which, unfortunately, the officials could not see.

You can tell from Suárez's reaction he expected it to be disallowed and when it wasn't, he has decided to get on with the game. It is not like he ran off celebrating.

He did exactly what anyone who has ever played professional football - and anyone who plays in the future - would do in the same situation.

There will be outrage about it, firstly, because it was a high-profile incident in a high-profile game. Second, because it is Suárez. He has become an easy target.

I can imagine if other players were at the centre of such a controversy it would be simply shrugged off as a stroke of luck - or bad luck so far as Mansfield are concerned - and the debate would not focus so much on the identity of the goalscorer.

People like football to be black and white on these issues, encouraging a sense of ethics within the game. It is idealistic but has no basis in reality.

Take that argument to the logical conclusion and you'd never need a referee or linesman.

Every time a foul is not given, a defender can ask to stop the play and inform the opponent he just mistimed a tackle.

Take Craig Gardner for Sunderland against Spurs last week. Would anyone have expected him to ask the referee to rescind the booking against Gareth Bale - a caution that earned the Tottenham player a suspension - and admit he did make contact and a penalty should have been awarded?

Better still, all those who are outraged by Suárez's goal yesterday can tell their own side next weekend to admit every handball, every shirt tug and every wrongly flagged offside that benefits their own team.

They can say they are doing so in the spirit of the game.

Where do you draw the line?

I was involved in an incident in the 1984 League Cup final against Everton. I was in my own penalty box, the ball hit my thigh and bounced onto my arm.

The penalty was not given. Are people saying I should have been running to the referee and telling him it might have been a spot kick?

It is a nonsensical argument which shows no understanding of how the game is played, or the stakes for those at the highest level when the action is moving so quickly.

One of the first things I was taught as a youngster breaking into the first team was if I ever make a foul, particularly in the box, never look at the referee. It is seen as an admission of guilt and he is more likely to give it.

So, you are trying to get away with fouls. Is that cheating too? Of course not. You are playing within the boundaries all the time, and it is for the officials to determine where there has been a misdemeanour.

That is why there will be no moral condemnation from anyone within the game for what happened. Managers and players know that next week it could be their own team benefiting from such an incident.

There have been one or two situations where players have been acclaimed for their sportsmanship - Robbie Fowler telling the referee not to award a penalty against David Seaman in the early 1990s springs to mind. You will not find too many others.

The sad thing for Suárez is his reputation goes before him. In recent weeks he has been staying on his feet far more and there have been fewer incidents where opponents have accused him of diving.

He scored a goal against Sunderland recently where he could easily have thrown himself to the floor, but instead he retained his balance and scored. Nobody seemed to say much about the honesty of his play in that case.

Yesterday, Suárez simply followed the golden rule every youngster is taught when he first plays football. "Play to the whistle." If that whistle does not come, it's the fault of the referee, not the player.

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Brilliant!

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Brilliant!
you being sarcastic?

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Definitely not.....Hansen tells it as it is.

Very well said.

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Originally Posted By: *** Suso ***
Alan Hansen: Suarez cannot be blamed...

Liverpool striker Luis Suárez cannot be blamed for carrying out his job and acting like any other player

Whatever moral high ground you take over Luis Suárez's goal, no footballer would ever ask for a goal to be disallowed.

It has never happened in the history of the game. It will never happen in my lifetime.

What exactly was Suárez supposed to do? Run to the referee and tell him it hit his hand? His team-mates would go berserk, and his manager would not be too impressed either.

The first thing to make clear is Liverpool's second goal in the third round cup tie was not a deliberate handball.

There is no way Suárez has moved his arm to control it. If anything, it looks as if he is trying to move his hand away when it has hit him.

The speed it was travelling, it simply ricocheted forward and struck him at angle which, unfortunately, the officials could not see.

You can tell from Suárez's reaction he expected it to be disallowed and when it wasn't, he has decided to get on with the game. It is not like he ran off celebrating.

He did exactly what anyone who has ever played professional football - and anyone who plays in the future - would do in the same situation.

There will be outrage about it, firstly, because it was a high-profile incident in a high-profile game. Second, because it is Suárez. He has become an easy target.

I can imagine if other players were at the centre of such a controversy it would be simply shrugged off as a stroke of luck - or bad luck so far as Mansfield are concerned - and the debate would not focus so much on the identity of the goalscorer.

People like football to be black and white on these issues, encouraging a sense of ethics within the game. It is idealistic but has no basis in reality.

Take that argument to the logical conclusion and you'd never need a referee or linesman.

Every time a foul is not given, a defender can ask to stop the play and inform the opponent he just mistimed a tackle.

Take Craig Gardner for Sunderland against Spurs last week. Would anyone have expected him to ask the referee to rescind the booking against Gareth Bale - a caution that earned the Tottenham player a suspension - and admit he did make contact and a penalty should have been awarded?

Better still, all those who are outraged by Suárez's goal yesterday can tell their own side next weekend to admit every handball, every shirt tug and every wrongly flagged offside that benefits their own team.

They can say they are doing so in the spirit of the game.

Where do you draw the line?

I was involved in an incident in the 1984 League Cup final against Everton. I was in my own penalty box, the ball hit my thigh and bounced onto my arm.

The penalty was not given. Are people saying I should have been running to the referee and telling him it might have been a spot kick?

It is a nonsensical argument which shows no understanding of how the game is played, or the stakes for those at the highest level when the action is moving so quickly.

One of the first things I was taught as a youngster breaking into the first team was if I ever make a foul, particularly in the box, never look at the referee. It is seen as an admission of guilt and he is more likely to give it.

So, you are trying to get away with fouls. Is that cheating too? Of course not. You are playing within the boundaries all the time, and it is for the officials to determine where there has been a misdemeanour.

That is why there will be no moral condemnation from anyone within the game for what happened. Managers and players know that next week it could be their own team benefiting from such an incident.

There have been one or two situations where players have been acclaimed for their sportsmanship - Robbie Fowler telling the referee not to award a penalty against David Seaman in the early 1990s springs to mind. You will not find too many others.

The sad thing for Suárez is his reputation goes before him. In recent weeks he has been staying on his feet far more and there have been fewer incidents where opponents have accused him of diving.

He scored a goal against Sunderland recently where he could easily have thrown himself to the floor, but instead he retained his balance and scored. Nobody seemed to say much about the honesty of his play in that case.

Yesterday, Suárez simply followed the golden rule every youngster is taught when he first plays football. "Play to the whistle." If that whistle does not come, it's the fault of the referee, not the player.


Read that earlier. Top article from a top man.


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The only person who can get blamed for this is the official if he didn't see it. If he saw it and decided that it was a ball to hand then he would have done his job. All players foul on the pitch and this is why there are officials. What if somebody scored a goal by being in the offside position deliberately (it happens so often in games)? It would just have meant that the linesman didn't do his job, and nobody would have said that the player cheated even if it was Suarez. So I don't understand all the fuss.

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Ok so it was a handball and goal should have been disallowed but how the feck can people blame Suarez? Im sick to the teeth of the witch hunt against the best player in the premiership by a number of narrow minded assholes! I never heard a word when Henry did Ireland out of a place in a major tournament! Why? Cause the same people thought the sun shone out of his ass! Its scandalous the way some members of the press are trying to chase this wonderful talent from these shores! Hope he comes out at the weekend and beats it up Man Ure to shut the feckers up!

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