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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Love the optimisim but its misplaced and dangerously so. Liverpool have not a hope in hell of knocking man utd off their perch. We need to face up to reality poor owners are destroying this club from moores to gillet and hicks to john henry. none of them have the finances and are trying for sucesss without risk to themselves it wont work. We have a slim chance of 4th if others fail and we overperform but even if we do without investment it will be a one off rather like everton a few years ago.


Top post Stan, it's a money game now and we have shown up with empty pockets for far too long.

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Well I haven't given up on 4th just yet, much will depend on who we bring in this month and how well and how quickly they start to perform, though the names being bandied about don't fill me with joy. One report says BR will get 40m and another says 20m and with that kind of money we can't be too optimistic, given the level of our need. It's just live in hope that FSG will step up to the plate as they say but I'm not holding my breath!

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Originally Posted By: Bar
The only way we even have a chance of grabbing 4th spot is if the wheels fall of Spurs and (to a slightly lesser extent) Arsenal in 2013, and if we make some great signings and things really click for the team.

Spurs look head and shoulders above us at the moment, and look stronger every week. Arsenal are inconsisent but they still look better than we do. I think we'll finish 7th this season, with 6th a possibility if we can oust Everton, but realistically, I can't see us finishing any higher than 6th - it's a possibility yes, but very unlikely, imo.

A 6th or 7th place finish would be an improvement on last season's 8th place finish, and would be something to build on if money is made available for investment in the squad come the summer time.

No reason why we can't have a good run in the FA Cup and Europa League. BR has been criticised by some for not taking the cups seriously enough. Hopefully we'll see stronger lineups in them from this point forward.


In other words, our future is more or less totally reliant on other clubs fvcking things up more than we have. Yippee.

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After last nights performance it shows the team can play well , players who were not performing before like Henderson and Downing are showing what they can do.

Lets be psoitive , Man Utd away is going to be tough but I believe LFC could win there , 4th place isnt too far away

This could well be a great season. A while back we couldnt score enough goals and here we hitting 3 -4 goals a game

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Originally Posted By: zeeman
After last nights performance it shows the team can play well , players who were not performing before like Henderson and Downing are showing what they can do.

Lets be psoitive , Man Utd away is going to be tough but I believe LFC could win there , 4th place isnt too far away

This could well be a great season. A while back we couldnt score enough goals and here we hitting 3 -4 goals a game

yep but we still can't beat a team in the top half of the table, we know that we can score goals against your Fulhams, Q.P.R, and Sunderlands but we know there is also a Villa performance in us too...

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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Love the optimisim but its misplaced and dangerously so. Liverpool have not a hope in hell of knocking man utd off their perch. We need to face up to reality poor owners are destroying this club from moores to gillet and hicks to john henry. none of them have the finances and are trying for sucesss without risk to themselves it wont work. We have a slim chance of 4th if others fail and we overperform but even if we do without investment it will be a one off rather like everton a few years ago.


Top post Stan, it's a money game now and we have shown up with empty pockets for far too long.



i also agree thats its a good post. However I have a different take on things. The FFP rules kick in now which means that the average 3yr spending should be taken into account.LFC have not hidden the fact that we have been slashing the wage bill in order to offer a better balance in our books, this in my view is good housekeeping.

The counter argument is that if we gamble and spend we get Champs league football sooner and then the balance is the same. so why not aim higher?

the fact is wages and transfer fees will and even are falling across europe. lack of cash in all leagues is forcing everything down.

If by the end of this or even next season we are able to maintain our wage structure and still improve financially (new commercial deals etc)then we will have more to spend and the prices will be cheaper and the wages lower.
in essense more bang for our buck.

Teams like PSG, City, Chelsea will be hamstrung without the ability to spend and their teams which in general are not young may start to struggle. Add this to the fact that neither are offering young players opportunities teams like Ajax, Lverpool, schalke, Dortmund, Bayern, Barca will become stronger.

admittedly their are alot of ifs and but's, yet we have a very strong set of u21 players coming through and a good balance of 21-25yr olds who will add experience. 35mil players today will be 20mil players in 3yrs time.

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