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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
That's irrelevant. He can only be judged on what he has done so far, and so far he has been very disappointing. There's no point in waiting until the end of the season as people will still reel out excuses like:

the FA are against us
we keep hitting the post
the media hate us
ferguson gets too much added time
suarez gets victimised
we never get penalties
fsg stopped BR over spending
our squad is young
BR needs another year or 6 to implement his 'philosophy'
we don't get enough rest time after european games
the fixtures haven't been kind to us
opposition keepers always play well against us
too many injuries


.....the list of EXCUSES just goes on and on and on, and it's embarassing. There's no point in setting a timeframe in which he should be judged as the all of the above will be wheeled out as usual. I'll continually judge him on a Live basis to see how well he is doing against previous managers and other managers we are competing against. Why wait?
de-ja-vue i think benitez and dalglish used to say those excuses aswell

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You said the same things about the previous manager, you were wrong then and you are wrong now, you live in a fantasy land where changing the manager brings immediate success.


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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
That's irrelevant. He can only be judged on what he has done so far, and so far he has been very disappointing. There's no point in waiting until the end of the season as people will still reel out excuses like:

the FA are against us
we keep hitting the post
the media hate us
ferguson gets too much added time
suarez gets victimised
we never get penalties
fsg stopped BR over spending
our squad is young
BR needs another year or 6 to implement his 'philosophy'
we don't get enough rest time after european games
the fixtures haven't been kind to us
opposition keepers always play well against us
too many injuries


.....the list of EXCUSES just goes on and on and on, and it's embarassing. There's no point in setting a timeframe in which he should be judged as the all of the above will be wheeled out as usual. I'll continually judge him on a Live basis to see how well he is doing against previous managers and other managers we are competing against. Why wait?


if they had applied your rationale the mancs would have sacked alex ferguson in his first half season. it's a pity they weren't as short sighted as you

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Totally different circumstances - you must know that.

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Originally Posted By: wakka
You said the same things about the previous manager, you were wrong then and you are wrong now, you live in a fantasy land where changing the manager brings immediate success.


Well, the previous manager has been sacked so I'm not quite sure how that proves me wrong, but I'm prepared to listen...


I have NEVER suggested that sacking a manager brings instant success. NEVER. It's you that must be in fantasy land. I have always maintained that a good manager should be able to improve results quickly. That's all.
Do you think that keeping a poor manager for a long time brings success just because we've been patient? I said it earlier and I'll repeat it: time doesn't bring success to a club; a good manager does.

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It wouldn't matter much which manager you have with the players we have, and those we need and haven't, we would be in or around this position anyway. Two seasons ago FSG appear to have come with a vision of the style of football they wanted at the club, yet they hired a manager and a director of football neither of which were versed (or probably even interested) in their tiki-taka vision, but they carried on regardless and sanctioned the purchase of near half a dozen players who mostly didn't suit their preferred style either. One season on and a net 40m spent, they suddenly wake up and realise they boarded the wrong bus, so they up and sack the manager and the director of football, and replaced them both with a manager well versed in the tiki-taka style they wanted in the first place. But then an appalling vista presented itself they had their preferred manager with their preferred playing style, but the wrong team, and if that wasn't bad enough when they looked in their piggy bank they were fresh out of funds!
Now in this scenario who should we blame? The first manager they appointed? the second manager they appointed? Or those who sleepwalked into this mess in the first place?


What complete nonsense. With the players we have we should be sitting comfortably in 6th, possibly 7th. Do you think our team/squad is actually worse than that of west brom, norwich, west ham, stoke, swansea and only money can improve us?? No chance - those clubs simply have a better manager.
A good manager will play to his team's strengths and should be able to improve results with his coaching and tactical acumen.

No, it's not nonsense CarheX, any manager is going to find it time consuming and exceedingly difficult to convert players chosen for hoof and hope style football into competent tiki-taki (here we go...) players as he'll require a much more technically proficient type of player for that style (like borini?), That is common knowledge, (at least among football people) and something I assumed you already knew. Rodgers has started moving out some of the most unsuitable players and I believe he will continue in the next few transfer windows, apparently he has advised Downing that he can leave and he is trying to bring through young lads he considers suited to his style of play. That he inherited a group of players most of which were unsuited to his style of play is common knowledge (opinion, not common knowledge).. That FSG selected a manager and director of football who had no prior experience of their preferred tiki=taka style football (FSG wouldn't know tiki-taka if it bit them on the tiki-testicles!) and then sacked them in order to install a manager with such a style (do you really think BR plays tiki-taka?! looks like the way we've always played - pass & move) is also common knowledge (again, only your opinion).
In addition to the above not too many managers will prove successful if they have to start a season with no recognized striker/s (not true. and our shortage was down to his own bad decisions and spending money elsewhere). Most football fans will accept that had we been able to convert even a portion of the clear cut chances we created would be further up the table (roll out the excuses!), Rodgers tried to sign a striker in the last window but was foiled by FSG (foiled? he'd already exceeded his budget - again, this was down to his own poor planning). Given the above I think most football fans would agree Rodgers has done pretty well to keep us in touch (in touch of what, relegation?), the real culprits for our current predicament is not Rodgers, it's FSG. No doubt in your rush to condemn Rodgers you will call my views "complete nonsense" again since this view doesn't suit your current witch hunt (there's no witch hunt - the buck stops with the manager).



..."most football fans" would agree that a £30m outlay to take your club from 8th to 12th isn't a sign of progression.

Most football fans would recognize progression on the playing field when they see it, and indeed most football fans have acknowledged as much. In addition most football fans would know that such progression wont always register in the table, at least not straight away, it takes time. They would also accept that most new players take time to adjust to a new club. Manager bashing in the first half of their first season is a cheap shot Carhex and is no substitute for an overall understanding of the complexities facing LFC.

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
That's irrelevant. He can only be judged on what he has done so far, and so far he has been very disappointing. There's no point in waiting until the end of the season as people will still reel out excuses like:

the FA are against us
we keep hitting the post
the media hate us
ferguson gets too much added time
suarez gets victimised
we never get penalties
fsg stopped BR over spending
our squad is young
BR needs another year or 6 to implement his 'philosophy'
we don't get enough rest time after european games
the fixtures haven't been kind to us
opposition keepers always play well against us
too many injuries


.....the list of EXCUSES just goes on and on and on, and it's embarassing. There's no point in setting a timeframe in which he should be judged as the all of the above will be wheeled out as usual. I'll continually judge him on a Live basis to see how well he is doing against previous managers and other managers we are competing against. Why wait?


if they had applied your rationale the mancs would have sacked alex ferguson in his first half season. it's a pity they weren't as short sighted as you


Utd were in the relegation zone when Ferguson took over and they finished in the top half. Almost immediately he improved results - it's what good managers do. He didn't deliver instant success but he showed he was capable. The rest is history.

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So you don't think sacking Brendy will make a difference?


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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
I'll continually judge him on a Live basis to see how well he is doing


Originally Posted By: CarheeX
Totally different circumstances - you must know that


but haven't you just told us to stop considering other factors and circumstances and just judge the manager on a "live basis".

of course the "different circumstances" don't satisfy your argument so you just disregard it.

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
What complete nonsense. With the players we have we should be sitting comfortably in 6th, possibly 7th. Do you think our team/squad is actually worse than that of west brom, norwich, west ham, stoke, swansea and only money can improve us?? No chance - those clubs simply have a better manager.
A good manager will play to his team's strengths and should be able to improve results with his coaching and tactical acumen.


it's strange that you never used your enormous sense of perspective and strategic nous to suggest tony pulis, hughton, allerdyce, steve clarke or laudrup for the vacant managers position in the summer?


Carheex is a legend in his own shower...


I would question that.


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