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I don't know, but it is not my job to know, it is theirs. However I am absolutely positive that their were at least 1 or 2 big names available. Furthermore, when you offer managers a 10 mil a year pay package and a 60 mil transfer kitty, it's amazing how quickly they do become available... Right, so as that will never happen with FSG it kinda rules out any 'top' managers getting their hands dirty with a long term project. Perhaps, but why would it not happen? If you look at things, you'll see that not only have they spent the equivalent of that, but about 30 million more than that without any real results. But we're not going to be selling a Torres every season to sustain it.
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I don't know, but it is not my job to know, it is theirs. However I am absolutely positive that their were at least 1 or 2 big names available. Furthermore, when you offer managers a 10 mil a year pay package and a 60 mil transfer kitty, it's amazing how quickly they do become available... Right, so as that will never happen with FSG it kinda rules out any 'top' managers getting their hands dirty with a long term project. Perhaps, but why would it not happen? If you look at things, you'll see that not only have they spent the equivalent of that, but about 30 million more than that without any real results. But we're not going to be selling a Torres every season to sustain it. We wouldn't need to...10 mil over 4 years is 40 mil...plus a starting transfer Kitty of 60 mil...with that we could secure CL football. CL revenue plus income from transfers could provide the transfer kitty for the next seasons...
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I don't know, but it is not my job to know, it is theirs. However I am absolutely positive that their were at least 1 or 2 big names available. Furthermore, when you offer managers a 10 mil a year pay package and a 60 mil transfer kitty, it's amazing how quickly they do become available... Right, so as that will never happen with FSG it kinda rules out any 'top' managers getting their hands dirty with a long term project. Perhaps, but why would it not happen? If you look at things, you'll see that not only have they spent the equivalent of that, but about 30 million more than that without any real results. Well i'm still waiting to be convinced that they really know what they're doing and whether there ambitions match our own.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Yes, well I believe that's what we are all waiting to see...the problem is that even if their ambitions do match our own, I am not sure they know what they are doing...
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I don't know, but it is not my job to know, it is theirs. However I am absolutely positive that their were at least 1 or 2 big names available. Furthermore, when you offer managers a 10 mil a year pay package and a 60 mil transfer kitty, it's amazing how quickly they do become available... Right, so as that will never happen with FSG it kinda rules out any 'top' managers getting their hands dirty with a long term project. Perhaps, but why would it not happen? If you look at things, you'll see that not only have they spent the equivalent of that, but about 30 million more than that without any real results. Well i'm still waiting to be convinced that they really know what they're doing and whether there ambitions match our own. They are baseball fans, we will never ever be their first love. Same cowboys, different hats.....
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I think you and your mates are spot on..I really don't think we are set up properly and that, as you said, boils down to either the manager or players not following instructions and to be frank I doubt it's the players. This is what has me worried. As you pointed out, with Skittles, Agger, Enrique, Johnson, Lucas and Reina in goal, we really shouldn't be conceding as many as we have.... To be fair, over the last 10 games we have actually conceded less than lots of the teams above us. I think Villa was just one of those days.
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I don't know where people get there ideas from that a really top manager will come to us, top managers do there homework before they think of joining a club and they look at the pro's and [oops]'s. The Liverpool Job 20 years ago was maybe the top manager job in the country behind the England one, unfortunately times have changed and it has become a provision chalice where any manager who decides to take it on is on a hiding to nothing. I think any new manager knows with FSG pulling the purse strings there will be no big transfer war chest, the heartbeat of the team which was the two localish lads Carrager and Gerrard are now coming to the end and worse of the lot is you have a poisonous global fan base with unrealistic expectation levels who if they don't look like getting top four they want the manager replaced.
I think the only managers who would be brave enough are you Rogers, Martinez, Lamberts or Laudrups of this world anyway, I don't mind Rogers I can see he's trying to implement things but is finding it hard because Dalglish left complete rubbish and you can't polish a turd.
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i'm so sick to f**king death of quick fix solutions....if we had gotten this manager and thrown 50 million at it, we would be in the top 4 or it's KD's, rafa's, BR's, FSG, gillett and hicks fault.
as for "the truth is hard to swallow", the club has been sliding for 20 years lads. this hasn't fallen on us out of tree or happened since the various american owners came in. we have been p!ss poor in the transfer market and in finance (and hence well below standard on the pitch) for years now.
i'd sooner see the club grow slowly on strong foundations and finish 7th this year and improving one place every year until we won it again rather than see some sugar daddy come in.
even if we had a sugar daddy like city do it'll still take a while. city spent over 500million over 5 years before they won it last season. FIVE years lads with FIVE HUNDRED MILLION.
in the past 8 years, spurs have spent almost 350 million. we over the same period have spent 370. spurs ain't exactly lit up the champions league either.
i think the owners are ok. they haven't given me an indication yet that they are either world beaters or the devil incarnate. this window won't sort liverpool out. nor the next one. it'll take a while no matter which manager is in charge.
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i dont think its quite as black as that joe we are still a huge name. but generally i agree your points have a lot of validity. What the club needs is a major external investment because we have been starved of it for 30 years while our rivals have moved forward. Since moores sold nothing has moved on and thats the nub of it. Rodgers is a decent manager and probably the best we can get at the moment without investment no manager will turn liverpool round.
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I don't know where people get there ideas from that a really top manager will come to us, top managers do there homework before they think of joining a club and they look at the pro's and [oops]'s. The Liverpool Job 20 years ago was maybe the top manager job in the country behind the England one, unfortunately times have changed and it has become a provision chalice where any manager who decides to take it on is on a hiding to nothing. I think any new manager knows with FSG pulling the purse strings there will be no big transfer war chest, the heartbeat of the team which was the two localish lads Carrager and Gerrard are now coming to the end and worse of the lot is you have a poisonous global fan base with unrealistic expectation levels who if they don't look like getting top four they want the manager replaced.
I think the only managers who would be brave enough are you Rogers, Martinez, Lamberts or Laudrups of this world anyway, I don't mind Rogers I can see he's trying to implement things but is finding it hard because Dalglish left complete rubbish and you can't polish a turd. I don't know whether you have read all the posts in this thread, but the point is that with the money we have spent so far, we could have gotten a top manager. This whole issue of whether they would join us or not is easy to settle when you consider the fact that money talks. Any manager will come if the pay package is right. Even an egotistical one like Mourinho. And we spent more than enough money that we could have spent on him and would have probably been in a better situation than we are in now. As far as your second point is concerned, I disagree that Dalglish left us with rubbish players. I agree they are not all world beaters, but I think he left us with a squad more than capable of competeing. The problem as I see it is that they are not being utilized correctly and that a shift in our style of play was forced upon them too quickly instead of slowing that transition in playing style down and balancing our on field performance accordingly. We could have played to our strengths with the players we had but we are instead forcing them to play a style they might not be suited to. Diego Milito is a player who performed miraculously whilst he was playing under MOurinho, the sole reason for this being that Maureen built his team around Milito and his style of play. And it was MIlitos goals that won them the title and the CL. We should have adopted a simillar strategy of playing to our strengths and slowly implemented a change in style instead of trying to change it all up in 6 months or a year...Not only would we slowly be playing more attractive football but our on field results would have been greater and the league table would have us higher up...
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